confused about PETA

See, now that is just wrong. Julie

That's really insane. I lead a rather sheltered life when I was younger and one of my friends apparently donated to peta when we were freshmen in highschool, I saw her shirt and asked about it and what she told me sounded awesome - a huge network of people who really tried to make a difference. Then I started reading about peta more, and read the stats someone posted on how many animals that enter their shelter make it out and I was appalled - they have so much money and do virtually NOTHING with it other than waste it, hardly any of it goes directly to animal causes. In a wierd way I can agree with people not owning animals, how many people due to ignorance keep various kinds of pets and those animals suffer? I'm very guilty of that, as are my parents, and if 10 years ago peta had suceeded that poor little iguana would never have been, and would never had to go through our sheer stupidity(we tried, spent thousands in vet bills, but didn't know the first thing the petstore sold us a very sick animal and told us outright lies on how to care for it)... I can agree, and I can see how I would take my own self loathing over that tradgedy and maybe find an organisation like peta and become outright militant about not owning animals - but I've had some truely wonderful expierences with animals as well, and I'm much more adept and finding the information I need and not afriad to ask questions when it comes to the health of my pets... so it's not peta's no animal owning stance that gets me, but what they do with their apparently vast resources, or don't do. If they did something other than lobby, then maybe they'd never reach the point of actually having pet ownership outlawed, but perhaps they'd be the ones to finally get puppymills and horse slaughter and alligator farms shut down and better conditions for our food animals - but I don't think that's going to happen.

So I assume but don't know, are all PETA members Vegan's then?  I don't know much about them because like spiritdogs I do not pay attention to extremist of any kind, they're all wacko's if you ask me.

I am a horse lover. I have 2 right now who will be here until the end of their days as long as me or my husband is here. Horse slaughter I think is a terrible thing, but so is euthanising healthy dogs. But what would you do with them all if you stopped euthanising them with no other pan in effect as to what to do with them all. that is what happened with horse slaughter, and PETA had a huge hand in it. Are they stepping in now to save all the wonderful horses, I haven't seen or heard it yet.

 How can you love horses and not be against the terrible practice of slaughtering them, and the conditions there. But now horses are hauled longer distances to go to Mexico and Canada and they are slaughtered there with even less regualtion as to how or the conditions. there are also already cases of people dropping off unwanted horses, and in WV there is a whole herd of old, sick, etc horses that were turned out. A group of people who I will not name are known for shutting a horse up in the lower level of their barns until they die if they cannot get rid of it. true or not, who really knows unless you have seen it? Horses are being abandoned at auctions all the time. A friend in another horse forum just rescued one that was left at an auction house.

As long as people indiscriminately breed any kind of animal there will be excess animals with no homes to deal with. What do you do with them? Horse or dog or cat? I would have spent my huge pile of money on changing the ways the slaughter houses were run and regulated, not subjecting these wonderful creatures to being left to starve, or transported in overcrowded trailers to another country to be slaughtered with little or no regulation. And we can thank PETA. I have gotten ad mail trying to get horse slaughter stopped before. It actually said that there are people and rescues all over the country that want these horses, but they can't outbid the kill buyers. Sadly, people actually believe this. Well, i better get off my soapbox. Sorry. Julie

They are vegans, and really extreme vegans, at that. The ones who keep companion animals feed their animals (CATS, dogs, ferrets) a vegan diet.

I cannot post or read vegan communities, because of the ridiculosness of it all.... I am cruel for giving my dogs a great home, fresh food, clean water, training, and all the luxuries of life? Please! 

The ones who keep companion animals feed their animals (CATS, dogs, ferrets) a vegan diet

It still boggles my mind how that has not been legally deemed animal cruelty/abuse. Animals have right to food, water, shelter....and by food, something they can actually live off of, something (even vaguely!) approrpiate for their species.

It's like feeding a baby cardboard or leaving a truck of ground beef out to feed your horses. I bet if someone did that (the horse thing) they could be charged for neglect at least!  Isn't *purposefully* feeding a *biologically* inapropriate diet that causes severe health problems the same as giving your dogs water but out of filthy, illness-filled buckets (something a kennel can be cited for, for example) or giving them a doghouse in Minnesota but with no winter insulation? Gah!!

jennie_c_d

The ones who keep companion animals feed their animals (CATS, dogs, ferrets) a vegan diet.

Actually, that's not true.  Some do feed their animals a vegan diet, but most don't. The idea is that companion animals need to eat meat to be healthy, wheras humans do not, so humans are expected to be vegan.  I do not support Peta but I somewhat agree on that issue.  I'm not vegan but I am vegetarian.

 PETA says it's ok to feed meat to animals? I've never heard that.... of course, I haven't looked at anything from them for YEARS.

jennie_c_d

 PETA says it's ok to feed meat to animals? I've never heard that.... of course, I haven't looked at anything from them for YEARS.

 Well actually I wasn't referring to PETA's official stance, but to the actions of most of its supporters.   A lot of people support PETA without agreeing with them on all of their stances, and there are a lot of AR people who are against PETA altogether.

jenns

jennie_c_d

 PETA says it's ok to feed meat to animals? I've never heard that.... of course, I haven't looked at anything from them for YEARS.

 Well actually I wasn't referring to PETA's official stance, but to the actions of most of its supporters.   A lot of people support PETA without agreeing with them on all of their stances, and there are a lot of AR people who are against PETA altogether.

I think a lot of people support PETA without even KNOWING about some of their stances, never mind agreeing.  Can't see any animal lover supporting PETA, knowing that they want to abolish pet ownership.  Most animal lovers either have a pet or would like to have one.  Most animal lovers I know have been/would be horrified at PETA's kill stats.... Just trying to think WHICH stuff I would disagree with but still give them money for, and the answer is... for me... NONE of it.

Chuffy

jenns

 Well actually I wasn't referring to PETA's official stance, but to the actions of most of its supporters.   A lot of people support PETA without agreeing with them on all of their stances, and there are a lot of AR people who are against PETA altogether.

 

I think a lot of people support PETA without even KNOWING about some of their stances, never mind agreeing.  Can't see any animal lover supporting PETA, knowing that they want to abolish pet ownership.  Most animal lovers either have a pet or would like to have one.  Most animal lovers I know have been/would be horrified at PETA's kill stats.... Just trying to think WHICH stuff I would disagree with but still give them money for, and the answer is... for me... NONE of it.

 That is so true - I don't know how many people I have talked to who support AR and PETA but have no idea what AR/PETA really is. And then there are the ones who do know some stuff but justifiy supporting them because they have this vague idea that it some how "helps animals".