puppy mills - growing problem

    • Gold Top Dog

    puppy mills - growing problem

    I just wanted to share this story we did with our Congressman.

    Some of you may remember me posting about a lab puppy with a liver shunt - well - he sparked this story (the photos in the video are of him in my backyard!)

    http://www.channel10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=113468&catid=8

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    I think I missed your posts about Waylon.  How is he doing now?

    Getting the word out is a good first step to helping curb this problem.  Keep up the great work!

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    so far so good. He got his surgery - it was more complex than we origionally thought - but he made it! he's a fighter, we don't know how long he'll have - and he may need more surgery. but for now, he's doing well.

    He was acutally adopted by a tech at UF who was there for his sugery - so he's in the right place to get everything he needs now.

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    Some of you might remember me posting almost a year ago acquaintences of mine adopted a pug.  I could tell this pup came from at best a backyard breeder, or a mill -- and I tried mightily to get these folks to reconsider THEN.

    As it happens they've done way better than I hoped -- but as with all young pugs, he's emotionally a firecracker and "needy" (wants 24/7 attention BIG TIME) so they decided to get ... *sigh* YEP ANOTHER ONE.

    Except by now the BYB has been apparently absorbed into a puppy mill.  *This* new puppy has MEGA demodex.  Not nearly as bad as Tink's but by 13 weeks old it was *generalized* already.  She found these dogs "online" in Georgia (major sigh on my part, oy vay)

    Again -- these folks are trying hard with him -- far better than I could have hoped (actually doing the stuff in my article to try to really stem the tide of this). 

    But she's been majorly *MAD* because she got "scr#wed by a breeder" and sent this "sick puppy".  And essentially I've now been trying again to help educate her on  byb's and mills -- and help her see how prevalent these are and that I'm really NOT being just a radical when I suggest this isn't the right way to get a puppy. 

    I sent her this link ... my heart breaks for these dogs but the lure of easy money is so irresistible to people.

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    It's too bad they didn't show more of the interview. I was in the room with them - and the things he and his wife were saying were VERY powerful. I get goose bumps even thinking about it. The things they went through were awful - the things I've had to encounter with the puppy mill we're dealing with is HARD. But now that we've had a Congressman LIVE this puppy mill scene - we've got someone that can really do something about it.

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     Yikes! This article is overflowing with AR propaganda, using people's emotions about "puppy mills" to justify passing anti-breeding legislation. The wording of the entire article very anti-breeding, purposefully pairing the term "puppy mill" with general statements against breeding. Having a genetic health problem is a sure sign a dog is from a puppy mill? The best way to fight "puppy mills" is to adopt? "When you buy, it only makes people want to breed more so they can sell more" because breeding dogs is wrong to do and wrong to support? And then it links to an HSUS website at the end...

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    I take HIGH offense to this.

    Please watch the video in it's entirety. You'll notice that she specifically talks about buying FROM A PET STORE. Nothing is mentioned about breeding in general - because that is not what she is against. PUPPY MILLS and PETSTORES are the target of this.

    The bill being proposed is aimed at mills - how many can be housed in a kennel together, how many can be sold within a year, etc. Have you been INSIDE a puppy mill? Do you REALLY know what they are like? I'm sure you've seen pictures - but until you've been INSIDE and handled those dogs - even taken them into your home - you really have no room to talk.

    This is a highly emotional story for me - as I have housed that dog (the lab) in my home, I've seen it first hand. This is a HUGE problem, and if you see nothing wrong with the issue at hand, I respectfully request you to keep your negative comments to a PM.

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    I have not gotten to watch the video yet, just read the article which is what I was quoting. I take high offense to AR propaganda and that so many people pass it along as fact. There is even a link to an HSUS link at the bottom of the article, so the article (again not sure about the video) is obviously encouraging people to see HSUS, an AR group as a good resource. HSUS is not a friend to animals, any more than PETA is.

      As for the Lab, it is a very sad story all around. In this case, the dog with the health issue is from a questionable background. It is what is between the lines that I take offense to though. Saying "the dog has a genetic health problem which is a sure sign he is a puppy mill puppy" is misinformation that is harmful to all breeders. It reinforces people's idea yet again (thanks to years of AR propaganda) that dogs from  "good breeders" are all genetically normal and if a breeder has or produces a dog with a health problem, they must be "bad breeders" with poor quality dogs.

      Breeders who are aiming to produce healthy show, working, performance or pet dogs do their best with testing and health/temperament information available. However all dogs, including mixed breeds carry the potential for multiple genetic disorders many of which can not be screened for or DNA tested for. Liver shunts are such a problem - there is no genetic screening available for breeding dogs, the mode of inheritance is unknown but it is suspected to be hereditary and unaffected dogs can produce affected dogs.

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    See - AGAIN - you are jumping to concklusions. We got the paper work for Waylon's breeder - the PETSTORE happily gave it up. When we searched for the breeder - we found links to information stating they sold between 600-700 PUPPIES each year. Puppy mill? You tell me. There were also several citations from their states agriculture department and they had been suspended from the AKC on violations. Now - tell me how someone like that can continue breeding? How this is ok? And no - Waylon was NOT the first dog from their kennel to have a liver shunt. That was also in the list of complaints.

    I understand things happen - problems arise. But this is a HUGE problem that has gone untested for years.

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    No one is arguing that the HSUS is not a stellar organization.  But part of the problem in Florida (and a number of other states) is that there is NO check currently at all on puppy mills and petstores.  Because the weather is mild here puppy mills use it as an excellent base of operations because they don't even have to provide real shelter or expensive things like air-conditioning or heat.

    You can't take the stand that "no law" is better because then breeders won't be adversely impacted.  Because the lure of quick, easy money is just far to great -- particularly in the current economy.  The internet has allowed bad breeders, backyard breeders and puppy mills HUGE freedom to sell dogs without having ANYONE have to actually come to their dirty, nasty facility to check up on them.

    Breed-related health issues is only one part of the problem -- animals raised in utter filth and horrible conditions beyond what anyone might imagine.  THESE things have to be addressed simply from a common-sense angle. 

    AgileGSD -- you tend to have "one song" -- you seem to gravitate to threads where you can jump in and try to derail onto the "protect the breeders" issue -- and it honestly looks like you want to turn a blind eye to the fact that these dogs SUFFER.  They suffer and they die in filth and conditions that are literally beyond the scope of most humans to even fathom. 

    There are times in all walks of life where we have to make choices.  And sometimes we have to USE an organization or company ... perhaps reluctantly ... simply because it accomplishes something that needs to be done NOW to avoid greater tragedy.  Occasionlly I will go and get something at Wal-Mart simply because it's open late or because they carry a certain item I can't wait to get elsewhere.  But that doesn't mean that I LIKE my money going to Wal-mart nor that I approve of their practices. 

    It's the same with this -- the HSUS isn't a stellar organization -- I agree with that.  HOWEVER, there are times when we may have to use them to accomplish something.  But that doesn't absolve us of the responsibility to **educate** the world on what IS right and correct. 

    Not to offend, but to try to illustrate my point -- this reminds me of an old joke.

    "It had rained for days and days ... and a man stood alone on a streetcorner completely drenched and miserable.

    A man came by and offered to give up his umbrella saying "I'm nearly home -- take my umbrella --you need it!!"

    The man responded "NO, God will save and protect me!"

    The next day it began to flood.  A man came by in a rowboat and offered to help the man "C'mon get in -- I'll help you get where you need to go!"

    The man responded "NO, God will save and protect me!"

    The flood progressed and grew worse.  The man is now clinging to the top of a house with the water still rising about him.

    An emergency crew in a helicopter came by dropping a rope to help save the man. "Here -- we're up HERE .... grab the rope and we'll get you to safety!"

    The man responded "NO, God will save and protect me!"

    Then the man finds himself dead and at the entrance to Heaven. 

    St. Peter comes out shaking his head.  "Well, you're here.  But it's sad!"

    The man responded angrily "NO, God PROMISED he would save and protect me!  And He didn't.  I'm DEAD now!!"

    St. Peter just looked at the man sadly and said "Well, yes, He did promise that.  But ... He sent an umbrella, a boat and a helicopter.  What MORE did you want???"

    It's unfair to turn away or criticize help in a situation like Erica's described.  USE the help offered - -by the HSUS or whatever agency will help get the word out and help get laws made to protect the innocent.

    Find opportunities along the way to educate the public about the hidden agendas some agencies may have -- but don't tromp over the needy and suffering animals in the process.   It's simply a matter of being sensible.

    And not merely being a rabble rouser who lives to cause dissention but never accomplishing anything in truth.

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     Wow Callie...that was a very moving and powerful post! 

     

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    yes - thank you Callie! You said what I was trying to say :)

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    Erica, it is a great thing you do.  You have a vig heart, and those animals are very lucky to have you on their side.  I don't know how you can do it, you are so strong.  I think if I ever found myself in your shoes, I would probably just sit and cry, seeing all the poor animals. 

    Please don't let anyone with negative words deter you :)

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    calliecritters
    You can't take the stand that "no law" is better because then breeders won't be adversely impacted.  Because the lure of quick, easy money is just far to great -- particularly in the current economy.  The internet has allowed bad breeders, backyard breeders and puppy mills HUGE freedom to sell dogs without having ANYONE have to actually come to their dirty, nasty facility to check up on them.

     USDA has laws concerning commercial breeders. If you feel that they aren't following up on inspections in your state, take it up with the USDA.

    calliecritters
    Breed-related health issues is only one part of the problem -- animals raised in utter filth and horrible conditions beyond what anyone might imagine.  THESE things have to be addressed simply from a common-sense angle. 

     Which is what the USDA required licensing is for.

    calliecritters
    There are times in all walks of life where we have to make choices.  And sometimes we have to USE an organization or company ... perhaps reluctantly ... simply because it accomplishes something that needs to be done NOW to avoid greater tragedy. 

     I couldn't disagree with you more. I would not "use" HSUS, PETA or other AR groups for any reason. In "using" them, you make it seem to the general public that they are a good resource for information. That is actually a HUGE part of the reason AR has gotten so powerful - people think "well, I don't like everything they do/say but they are a good organization because they are doing XYZ". The rather ironic thing is that these groups are also responsible for a great deal fo pain and suffering on the part of animals, as well as their owners. But hey, you should side with anyone who will help your own personal cause right?

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    So what do you propose we do.

    How do we fix the puppy mill problem?