Breeder in PA

WAY TO GO GUYS!  You chased off another disenting oppinion with personal insults!  Pretty soon everyone can just make a post and no responses will be needed because complete agreement will be assumed.  I do not completly agree with Luvabull but the way some have treated him\her is not appropriate.

WAY TO GO GUYS! You chased off another disenting oppinion with personal insults!

Who are you referring to?  My responses to this thread have been based ONLY on what I've read/seen on the website and the information the breeder has given me after contact, not opinions based on other opinions.  I respect Luvabull's choice to not use breeders that breed more tha x-number of litters per year.  There's a LOT of posters here who do the same.  No biggie.

I wouldn't consider this place to be a BYB/Commercial mill. They're way too involved with titles/work/health testing. Considering that a few folks on here have nice things to say about them, I would check them out if you're interested as folks on here wouldn't send you to an irresponsible breeder.
 

ORIGINAL: Luvabull

Sorry, I was unaware that my age was going to be brought into question. I will know now not to come back to this forum. I had no idea it would be this prejudice, I guess I know now why I haven't been getting listened to in most of the threads I have replied in.
Thank you for outright disrespecting me. Really, nice character.

Because I wasn't asked my opinion on a breeder or anything.


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Wait, yes I was. Hmm.
I guess I will pass along to my other knowledgable friends that this forum is not the place to be for sharing your informed opinion. I'm sure I'm not the only one. [X(]

 
I'm sorry you feel that way. You're entitled to your opinion but I do have to ask, are you seriously involved in the GSD breed? The reason I ask is that the way things work in that breed may not be the way things are done in your chosen breed hence the reason why Hdkutz was asking you questions.
 

ORIGINAL: TH
 
WAY TO GO GUYS!  You chased off another disenting oppinion with personal insults!  Pretty soon everyone can just make a post and no responses will be needed because complete agreement will be assumed.  I do not completly agree with Luvabull but the way some have treated him\her is not appropriate.

 
I don't see where Luvabull was "chased off". Hdkutz asked her to break down her/his opinion. Hdkutz is involved with the GSD breed and is knowledgeable about what goes on within it. In all honesty, if I'm looking for advice/opinions on the breed, I'm more likely to listen to one who is seriously involved in the breed as opposed to someone who isn't. I'm not saying that Luvabull isn't entitled to her/his opinion but considering that this is a message board, it's not all uncommon for another member to want to dwelve into that opinion. That doesn't mean someone is being "mean" or is trying to "chase them off".  

ORIGINAL: Luvabull
Sorry, I was unaware that my age was going to be brought into question. I will know now not to come back to this forum. I had no idea it would be this prejudice, I guess I know now why I haven't been getting listened to in most of the threads I have replied in.
Thank you for outright disrespecting me. Really, nice character.
Because I wasn't asked my opinion on a breeder or anything.
Wait, yes I was. Hmm.
I guess I will pass along to my other knowledgable friends that this forum is not the place to be for sharing your informed opinion. I'm sure I'm not the only one. [X(]

 
If questioning how you came to the conclusion you did and what experience you have(which can be directly related to age sometimes) offends you than so be it. If you have an "informed opinion" then share what experience or knowledge you have. Base it on facts and present the facts.

ORIGINAL: mudpuppy

healthy and quality dog it is today.

we were thinking about getting a GSD and did some research and decided they were one of the most unhealthy breeds around these days. Plagued by a really long list of genetic disorders.  So our household will never contain a GSD.

Almost every purebred dog has a list of genetic issues. No less than shepherds. In a lifetime of shepherds I`ve only had one with an issue. My oldest(9) has Pannus, a very mild case and it`s been held at bay with Prednisolene Acetate eye drops every couple days. I can`t remember if my parents shepherds had issues but I`ve had shepherds since I bought my own first house in 1973. I only buy from import lines and quality breeders.
PS: there are even some really good American Line Breeders these days if that`s what you like. example... http://www.alkarah.com/

Please explain how at 20 you have attained such vast knowledge and also how you formed the above opinion.

WAY TO GO GUYS!  You chased off another disenting oppinion with personal insults!

 
This is a valid question, Hdkutz did not say anything out of line about the age, just wanted a valid explination of how one so young has the knowledge base to have the opinion they have.
 

  we were thinking about getting a GSD and did some research and decided they were one of the most unhealthy breeds around these days. Plagued by a really long list of genetic disorders.  So our household will never contain a GSD.

 
Yes it can be, but no more than some others. I have had GSD's my whole life with a few mixes in between. I have yet to have one that had a serious health issue due to genetics. My last GSD was almost 12 when she left us, she died after some medical issue's that resulted from a car accident, not her breeding. And while every puppy is a risk there are ways to stack the odd's in your favor. Buying from highly titled breedings is the best way. The biggest difference is that it is going to cost you more than it would if you bought from Jo Average with just an AKC paper..

That's interesting.  I wasn't aware that only old people could look at a web site and form an opinion.  I must remember that for future reference [sm=haha.gif]

Would I buy from that breeder?  Nope.  I actually think most of those dogs are quite unattractive.  Plus, I agree with mudpuppy that there are far too many dogs/litters for my taste.

Then again I am only 26.  Maybe if I give it a couple years I'll be falling all over myself to have them sell me one of their pups......

ORIGINAL: sillysally
That's interesting.  I wasn't aware that only old people could look at a web site and form an opinion.  I must remember that for future reference [sm=haha.gif]
Then again I am only 26.  Maybe if I give it a couple years I'll be falling all over myself to have them sell me one of their pups......

 
Did you feel the rush of air as the whole explanation went right over your head? First I`ve been to that breeder, I`ve seen her dogs in action and know people that have owned then. Experience takes time, understanding that breed and the various lines and German kennels and what they have produced over the years. What breedings have produced top quality dogs. You`ve just proved my point.

I'm 32 and still wouldn't... am I old enough?

I think the age comment was uncalled for.  It came across snide.  He could have asked the question without including anything about age.

On the other hand, she was being persistent in her opinion, as if she wanted to change the OP's or someone elses.  She stated her opinion once, none of the knowledgeable GSD people agreed with  her and she took offense.  I agree with her, I would not buy one of their dogs, but I'm not going to keep posting about it.    Perhaps that's where the age thing comes in?

I think it was good that someone with firsthand experience and hands on experience chimed in. I think that was likely the most helpful thing, as far as the OP's original questions/concerns. There were also some other "in the breed folks" who chimed in with helpful links or forums for breed enthusiasts...they also had some valuable experience to offer regardless of their ages.
 
The rest? *shrug*

^^  I was just going to post something along those lines.  The OP wondered if this is a reputable breeder as far as top quality GSDs are concerned.  The answer (based on people who have seen the dogs working and know what to look for in a top GSD) is yes, that is a kennel worth checking out in person.

Whether or not X-number of litters/dogs is appropriate seems like a topic for it's own discussion.

Agreed

ORIGINAL: Liesje

^^  I was just going to post something along those lines.  The OP wondered if this is a reputable breeder as far as top quality GSDs are concerned.  The answer (based on people who have seen the dogs working and know what to look for in a top GSD) is yes, that is a kennel worth checking out in person.

Whether or not X-number of litters/dogs is appropriate seems like a topic for it's own discussion.

Doesn't that play into whether someone considers a breeder to be a good one?

Doesn't that play into whether someone considers a breeder to be a good one?

Depends.  This OP has posted several threads in the past regarding GSD breeders and it looks like he knows exactly what he's looking for in his new dog.  He's not going to find a dog of the quality he wants from a family that's breeding their two house pets once every few years.  The dogs on that site are all titled in sport, conformation, kkl1, and OFAed.  Besides the luck of having a standout dog or two, that's about as good as it gets.

The OP also asked for those who have dealt with this breeder and know her reputation.  It looks like she has a great reputation.

If someone posted in a way that it was obvious they were more of a newbie and didn't even have a clue where to begin looking for good kennels, then yes, I do agree with the "less is more" as a general rule of thumb.

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