Need a Mate!

ORIGINAL: sonic

Look, I've always been of the same mindset that 99.9999% of people should adopt. That's why, to date, I have adopted so many animals throughout my life. Hell, I even have two adopted Ferrets, here is Skip and Fidget with Sable:

The bottom line is that I want to have another dog from Sable's line; purebred or not. I'm not here to argue about symantecs or idealology. If somebody can help, great! If they can't, oh well. Just spare me the lecture, I've probably done more for sheltered animals than those of you who are repremanding me. 

Wow, you are missing the point by a mile. The fact that you've rescued animals doesn't give you a free pass to purposely bring lives into this world while knowing NOTHING about your girls family history. And a "vet check" doesn't show plenty of health problems that could be passed on to her offspring.

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ORIGINAL: sonic
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Just a few thoughts.  First, your dog is beautiful!!  I'm sure that you growing up around so many dogs had alot to do with your being able to train her to her best abilities.  Hopefully the friends and family that have requested a pup will be willing to make the lifetime committment of training and vet care, etc.
 
You already knew that you would hear a bunch from others here about your request to "mate".  I wouldn't call them high and mighty, but they don't know you and your background.  An introduction as to your intentions and who you are would have staved that off quite well.
 
Finally, whatever dog you choose as a sire, I hope that you ensure they have just as wonderful a temperament, as excellent a health and OFA certification and as good intentions as yours. 
 
Honestly, I don't condone the breeding for this.  It's true, your friends and family could go and choose from a shelter.  But I'm not the one to make your decisions.
 
Since you come from a breeding background, I'm sure you understand that as the breeder, ultimately, you make that committment for life to take any of the dogs back for whatever reason and in whatever condition if one of your family members or friends "bail out".
 
I'm not judging you.  But you said yourself, you knew the reactions you would get.  That also indicates that you know why people are having these reactions.  Any breeder (or one coming from a family of breeders) would understand this as they only want to propagate the best of the best of their breed. 
 
Keep in mind, these pups your bitch may produce, may end up having pups of their own.  I would require each person that receive a pup to be spayed/neutered and show proof, family or not. 
 
Just my two cents.  Good luck no matter what your choice.

ORIGINAL: sonic
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**Content Removed - Off Topic** Just a group of dog lovers here who do not agree at all with people who do back yard breedings, such as what you are doing.

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Take some advice from someone who is working with a mentor.   Has your Siberian had her eyes certified be a Eye Specialist and tested clear for cataracts?  Has your female tested negative for Brucellosis?  You need to have her hips x-rayed and sent off to the OFA. Also main important question is she standard for her breed.   If none of this have been done don#%92t get into breeding period.  

You are blowing this way out of proportion.
I in no way inteded for you to consider that " jumping down your throat".
If you were a smart pet owner, you'd spay her and make it well that she did not breed esspecially since you dont know her blood line period.
And you want to breed her with another pure bred dog? Just because a Malamute may be Pure bred, a Mal' certainly is not a Huksy, therefore it would be mixed breed.
You obviously came here hoping every one would agree, you might should have introduced youself in the Introduction section first, and looked around the forum to find out what at least some of the peoples feelings on this subject were.
Why do you automatically think we are trying to Jump at your throat? that is not our intentions at all.
Poor breeding, leads to weak sicly puppies, and poor pup health.
Just because you like your dogs temperament, does'nt mean her pups will be mirroring her, meaning, some of her pups may be far from her.
I merely suggested that you not breed until you have gained proper knowledge of the subject.
We are here to help make better living for both you and your dogs. If you do not want Opinionated replied to your posts, then don't post and a Dog Forum without looking around first. Heck, don't post at all.
There will be plenty of people who will disagree, or agree with what you have to say, but you must be ready for other to disagree, as not every one will feel what you are doing is fit.
As i Said, Im not the ONLY one who feels this way, stop taking it as a personal attack, and read every ones replies like an adult should.
You said earlier, that you should've known some one would reply in this manner. If so, why on earth di you post it any how?
I dont sound HIGH AND MIGHTY.
That is merely a state of mind. I surely don't feel high and mighty, I am only trying to help you and your dog for the sake of her health.
Instead of  bashing every ones post, why dont you try reading them thoroughly and answering the questions.
No ones trying to  gripe or  boast in any way possible. We are only stating what we feel is right and wrong.

ORIGINAL: dogsRkewl

Just a few thoughts.  First, your dog is beautiful!!  I'm sure that you growing up around so many dogs had alot to do with your being able to train her to her best abilities.  Hopefully the friends and family that have requested a pup will be willing to make the lifetime committment of training and vet care, etc.

You already knew that you would hear a bunch from others here about your request to "mate".  I wouldn't call them high and mighty, but they don't know you and your background.  An introduction as to your intentions and who you are would have staved that off quite well.

Finally, whatever dog you choose as a sire, I hope that you ensure they have just as wonderful a temperament, as excellent a health and OFA certification and as good intentions as yours. 

Honestly, I don't condone the breeding for this.  It's true, your friends and family could go and choose from a shelter.  But I'm not the one to make your decisions.

Since you come from a breeding background, I'm sure you understand that as the breeder, ultimately, you make that committment for life to take any of the dogs back for whatever reason and in whatever condition if one of your family members or friends "bail out".

I'm not judging you.  But you said yourself, you knew the reactions you would get.  That also indicates that you know why people are having these reactions.  Any breeder (or one coming from a family of breeders) would understand this as they only want to propagate the best of the best of their breed. 

Keep in mind, these pups your bitch may produce, may end up having pups of their own.  I would require each person that receive a pup to be spayed/neutered and show proof, family or not. 

Just my two cents.  Good luck no matter what your choice.

Thanks for the thoughtful post. As for the 'training' part, I have always done well since it was my job since a little boy to help train our GSD's. Some of my fondest memories were getting up earlier in the morning with my grandfather to start training sessions with the dogs, one by one. Such great memories! Sable learned how to do things in the first six months of her life that any of my previous dogs learned how to do in their first two years! I can't explain it, she's simply intelligent as hell.

As for the 'other dog', that's why I'm looking around now. Sable is right around two years old and it'll be about 4-5 months before she comes into season again. So I want to find a dog that is healthy and a good temperment match.
I imagine this will be a tough find.

I'm fine with taking back bail-outs if neccessary. I am on 12 acres of land and work from home; I continuously care for all of my animals 24/7. And, yes, Sable will be fixed afterwards and we've already told our friends/family that we expect her puppies to be spade/neutered as well. And, you are correct, that any breeder only want to propagate the best of the best of their breed. For some reason, I didn't expect to run into so many "professionals" on a random internet dog forum. **Content Removed - Profanity**, I figured I'd be lucky to receive one reply to my post; I found you guys through google.

Again, I appreciate the respectful post and respect your opinions.

ORIGINAL: scoobychick

Take some advice from someone who is working with a mentor.   Has your Siberian had her eyes certified be a Eye Specialist and tested clear for cataracts?  Has your female tested negative for Brucellosis?  You need to have her hips x-rayed and sent off to the OFA. Also main important question is she standard for her breed.   If none of this have been done don't get into breeding period.  

Yes, she has had her eyes checked and the test was negative for cataracts. This was done on the recommendation of an AKC (don't get me started on the AKC, I don't want to piss yet more people off lol!) Siberian owner when I was chatting with them last year at the AKC event held here in Portland (I shoot the event every year). She has also tested negative for Brucellosis. You guys do have me on one thing though, I have not yet had her hips tested. I certainly plan on doing this (especially if I am able to breed her). Afterall, my history is with GSD's and this is a MUST.

The biggest issue that she has had, through all the testing, to date is:

- She is a bit allergic to some multivalent vaccinations. Poor things face swells up like a pumpkin, but benadryl helps.

Edited because my question was answered at the same time I was posting.

I know your intentions mean well and all but not knowing your dogs pedigree may end up being more trouble in the long run as puppies go.  The genetic testing is a good starting point.   Don#%92t think I#%92m sounding harsh but any responsible breeder won#%92t let you use a stud especially since she came from a shelter you need to be aware of that.  Have you though about finding a mentor and getting some experience and insight on raising puppies before raising your own litter?

The thing that worries me about breeding a dog of unknown background is mostly the fact that it's really a gamble.  You just don't know what kind of problems she may have in her genetic family tree that don't crop up right away, something that might not set in until she's older.  Usually breeders keep an eye out for things like that in a family tree and are able to avoid perpetuating those problems in their lines by avoiding breeding those dogs who will pass it on.  But you know that already.  If that's a risk you're willing to take, then it is ultimately your decision.  You will be responsible for these dogs for their lives as you have brought them into the world.  And while I am of the belief that she should not be bred because of her background, I do know that you're the owner and you know your situation better than anyone. 
  However, I do hope you read everyone's posts here - while often they've got a crust of jagged edges on 'em, they're really all written by human beings (the fact that they're on the internet doesn't make them any less of people).  These are people who love dogs and their posts show their opinions for the dogs' sake.  These are people who would choose not to breed because of the risks and because of the plethora of already homeless mutts in the world - and I think you'll find that that is the most common opinion on the forum.  They DO have some good information to share and I hope you read it and let it weigh in on your decision to breed.  I know the apparent harshness of some of the posts (though they've been quite tame in this thread comparatively) may turn you off from the actual information, but I will ask you to try to look past that to the real meat of each post.  Some have mentioned getting your dogs' hips OFA'd.  That is a great idea and I hope you take this precaution before you breed her, if you do.  It will help you determine how healthy her pups will be.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

ORIGINAL: scoobychick

I know your intentions mean well and all but not knowing your dogs pedigree may end up being more trouble in the long run as puppies go.  The genetic testing is a good starting point.   Don't think I'm sounding harsh but any responsible breeder won't let you use a stud especially since she came from a shelter you need to be aware of that.  Have you though about finding a mentor and getting some experience and insight on raising puppies before raising your own litter?

I appreciate your post, but I did previously mention that I grew up with breeders. I can't tell you how many whelping boxes I've built over my lifetime [] And I know what you mean about breeders not allowing their dogs to breed with her; and I don't blame them (my folks were the same way... although they did make one exception that I can remember). But I'm still going to look and work to find a good match.

The thing that worries me about breeding a dog of unknown background is mostly the fact that it's really a gamble.  You just don't know what kind of problems she may have in her genetic family tree that don't crop up right away, something that might not set in until she's older.

see, that was my worry also. I wasn;t trying to be rude sounding and what not,it's just we get alot of people aaround here ignorantly breeding dogs ( not necissarily you, dont take that wrong please.) just becsause they think they can you know? we are vry concerned with canine population and poor breeding. thats all. =]