Are you a breeder who really cares?

ORIGINAL: BEVOLASVEGAS

Judging by the number of breeders that fought AB1634 in California, which was designed to reduce the number of pets executed in shelters, I have come to the conclusion that many breeders couldn't care less about the welfare of animals, but are totally focused on their own business and the animals they are selling. Just my opinion of course, but I can assure you that there are many shelter workers that feel the exact same way. .

Many shelter workers do not feel the same. 

This bill has failed & continuing to bring it up over & over is just [sm=beatdeadhorse.gif]
LET IT GO!!!

My comment is not focused on the bill failing, and by the way ,  it will most certainly  be resubmitted next year and pass.  It was an observation that I and other people made with regards to the breeders that were preoccupied with defeating the bill any way they could,  and at the same time  not once bringing up the plight of the animals that are destroyed every year because of the present situation.

Moderator speaking,
If you'd like to discuss the bill further, and I welcome you to do so, do so in Advocacy.
That way this thread...doesn't get completely derailed or become focused on one or two people going back and forth, when it wasn't intended to do so.
Thanks.

Yes breeders CHIP YOUR PUPS BEFORE SALE and register those chips to YOU!!!

I have Marlowe, who I wouldn't give up or give back for all the money in the world, because even though he's a purebred UKC registered dog, no one bothered to chip him and the choker collar he was found wearing did not have any form of ID. All he had were tattoos in his ears from the breeder, which don't mean squat for anyone outside of the coonhound world. He went stray and wound up at the pound where they did not have the time or knowledge to search around for all the breeders of black and tan coonhounds in the Western PA area and quiz them about what these tats (which were applied as a puppie and have now stretched and faded and are hard to read anyway) could possibly mean.

I don't know if he was a dog who'd stayed with the breeder and that was all the breeder's fault, or if he was sold to someone else in the area (his breeder is in the same county he was picked up in) who just figured everyone round those parts would know and never bothered to put any ID on the dog. But either which way, Marlowe wouldn't have taken up shelter space for a week if he'd been chipped by the breeder. It took me about 2 months to actually track down his breeder, though I haven't made contact. I keep meaning to but it keeps slipping my mind to write down his tattoo number for reference.

Yes breeders CHIP YOUR PUPS BEFORE SALE and register those chips to YOU!!!

thats a good idea actually but i have one negative thought on it... well not negative... but a question..
if the owner surrenders the dog to the pound do they scan it for a chip anyway? i mean they know who the owner is. they gave up the pet willingly, signed their name and all that.
the chip would help the dog come home to you if it ran away and was picked up, or if it was surrendered, adopted, ran away and was picked up... but if it was given up willingly, would the do the scan? i dont know, that's why i'm asking.

I think they would. Most shelters here chip dogs before putting up for adoption...so they'd likely scan before doing so. Now would they contact YOU? Well that's rather leaving it up to the individual shelter...but I'd like to think they would. After all if they seek you out...that's one less animal THERE and one more empty space for an animal...right?

oh i agree with you, like i said its a good idea. at least at the end of the day you can say you tried your best and increased the odds.
better than some people i know right now....

I have no problem with breeders chipping their dogs, in fact I think it's a very good idea, but I think the owners should be told and their info needs to go into the system with the breeders.

Luna has been chipped (like Rosco and Lexi), and I would hate for her to have more than one chip, especially if I learned about it from my vet as I was having my own chip put in. I would have some serious trust issues with a breeder who didn't disclose that info.

The problem with being the "secondary contact" is that when a dog is surrendered there's no reason for the shelter to CALL the secondary contact. The owner relinquishes the pet...and says nothing to the breeder. I don't think the shelter is going to contact the secondary contact. I think they'll assume it's Uncle Earl or similar and then what?
 
I hear you about the trust issue...obviously it goes both ways. I suppose I could say the pups are chipped and registered to me as primary and see what buyers think of that...when I asked here last time most did not care for that, either.

if it was me then i would have it known that the pups are already chipped, that i am the primary, and if you have a problem then you can shuffle along. its a precaution against untrustworthies.... and STUFF happens. if you're driving down the road with your dog, wreck your car and die and your dog runs away.... it will come back to the breeder who has the option of contacting the family and telling them where the dog is. IF there is a family. i know some old people who arent married and their pets are their soul companions.
if i was buying a dog from a breeder i would totally understand the want of it being chipped.. but thats because i love to cover all bases.

Most times when a dog surrendered gets pulled by the breeder...purbred rescue has pulled the dog and done the research....now that I think of it...that's probably how it'd work on an owner surrender. IF the dog was pulled by rescue...they'd in turn scan the dog and find the breeder and go from there.
 
Don't know why I didn't think of that before...but in the above case...being secondary would be fine. They'd assume the primary turned the dog in...and contact the secondary.

Good points on all sides. As an owner, I hope to heck they would contact the secondary! That's why I put it on there. [sm=sad.gif]

This has me interested enough to check and see what info is in the system. I feel like there was a field for the breeder on her HomeAgain paperwork, but I will check online now.

Yes they'd check on a stray/at large dog almost for sure....it's just the owner surredender we're all kinda wondering about. Let me know what you find out!

My only experience with breeders was when I was searching for GSMD.  The most famous and popular breeder for this breed resides in the state next to mine.  They were asking 2500.00 for their dogs.  In addition I found another breeder in this state with dogs for 1200.00.   The popular breeder is pretty famous amongst these breeds; they had an article in dog fancy and recently had a show regarding the breed on Animal Planet – to give you an idea. 
 
Anyway, we went to the popular breeder first and were required to bring our son (at the time he was 3), they showed us around asked lots of questions regarding how we would care for the dog, who our vet was, previous dog stories, our finance, etc.  He was hardcore when it came to interviewing us.  He was not happy that we worked full time and kind of let us know that.  He also chipped the dogs in his name, honestly I did not like that and he told us it would remain that way.  After driving four hours to visit with him he told us he would have to get back to us.  So..  we stopped at the other breeder on the way home.   It turned out that the sire of there puppies was a pup from one the more popular breeders.  They too asked some questions etc. but were ready to sell us a dog.  We decided to purchase a puppy and signed a contract as well, requiring us to neuter and return the dog if we could not care for him.  After arriving home with our puppy the next day we got a message telling us we were approved for a puppy for the better breeder if we determined we wanted to move forward.
 
Well, after 7 months my dog developed some resource guarding issues which at the time seemed crazy to us.  We had a 100 pound dog that growled at us and our child; being inexperience at the time with this behavior we were scarred.  We joined the GSMD forum posted our concerns and were highly recommend to contact our breeder.  Needless to say our breeder had nothing to tell us, except that they never had a dog demonstrate that behavior.  They suggested we contact a behaviorist and have him evaluated.  We did and the problem go worse before better, we tried to contact our breeder a couple time more for some support with no return phone calls, she obviously wanted no part of my problems.
 
Someone them suggested I contact the popular breeder since one of his pups was the sire to my dog, he is experience and would most likely have lot of suggestion and advice, so I did.  WELL, he was short and to the point!  He sold that puppy to someone who studs him out and he (the popular breeder) was in no was responsible or interested in dealing with my dog and our issues.  If HE owned the dog he would work with us, but he did not!!  I found that appalling, I wasn#%92t asking him to take my dog I was looking for advice and insight on the breed and how to deal with the problem
 
Anyway, two behaviorist later we got the problem under control and we are so glad no one suggested they would take him back, we might have done that at that time and under the circumstances of being uneducated and unprepared for this advertised family breed who turned out aggressive.   My point being is if that “popular” breeder had any real ethic#%92s I believe he would have tried to help me instead of shutting me down.  After all he is the top breeder and advocate for this breed, right?  Supposedly…..
 
My experience was that both my breeders (directly and indirectly) were only in it for the money, not the breed/dogs. 

ORIGINAL: Pit_Pointer_Aussie

I have no problem with breeders chipping their dogs, in fact I think it's a very good idea, but I think the owners should be told and their info needs to go into the system with the breeders.

 
"Sharing" a chip is one thing---having a pup chipped and not knowing about it?[:@][:@][:@] I would be ballistic.
 
If my pup is missing, then I am going insane looking for him. Meanwhile, the shelter has left a message for the breeder who could be anywhere (vacation? show?) and as far as the shelter is concerned they have located the owner. So when I call looking for my dog they tell me he's not there. [] 
 
Never mind the issues that could arise when I decide to put a chip in and they scan him and find an existing chip!  What about if he's lost and there are two chips with competing info?
 
If the breeder puts a chip in and I am on there as the primary contact, that's fine. (I think I put my dog's breeder on his chip as #3 contact) but having the breeder as the only contact and without my knowledge is a big no for me.
 
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A breeder who cares is the topic---so I'll head back there now. I'm not a breeder but I can tell you about my experience with the main breeder of my dog's litter (there were technically two breeders involved[])
 
My dog's breeder cares and she checks in every couple of months. Plus she checked in before and right after she moved to make sure I had her new phone numbers, etc. If I can't keep my dog for some catastrophic reason she will take him back.
 
As for getting a pup back, here is a link to a puppy contract for a kennel that includes a $5,000 penalty if you sell or give away the dog without their advance permission. I think these folks take their responsibility pretty seriously, don't you?
[linkhttp://www.claddaghkennels.com/Pet%20Contract.htm]http://www.claddaghkennels.com/Pet%20Contract.htm[/link]
 
Breeders who care also check on the home BEFORE they agree to sell a up. I filled out an application, met with her a few times and gave her references.
 
I can't see a dog from her kennel winding up in a shelter situation. When I got my pup he was from the third litter she had bred in about 10 years. She could tell me the current status of dogs from a litter whelped six years before and I spoke with some of the owners as part of my reference checking. She knows where the pups are and she has taken a dog back that needed to be rehomed.
 
So that's what a breeder who really cares looks like to me.

Well, first I found out that I could add some more info to the database - such as photos of the dogs - so I did that.

There is no space for breeder/origin info but for Luna I added that info in the "other characteristics" area. I figure better to have it somewhere in the system than nowhere.

In thinking about this more, I think there should be space for breeder/origin info, so breeders and rescues can get the process started. Then the owner info that would be the active person managing the account.

I'm guessing that the people who dump dogs at shelters don't care enough to chip their dogs. So if those people dump a dog then the breeders/rescues would at least be in the system. For the responsible owners, they would still have control, but the breeders would also have the peace of mind knowing they are forever attached to the dog (no pun intended).

I think I'll call HomeAgain and ask that they add that field to the forms.