Good thoughts for Bugsy please - 2nd UPDATE pg 4 - he's OK

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    Good thoughts for Bugsy please - 2nd UPDATE pg 4 - he's OK

     The vet called and left a message that he wanted to discuss his bloodwork - a CBC from his physical.  I asked for it to be faxed to me and there are some very wacky numbers.  Vet won't be back until after 3 so I'll be wreck until I speak to him.

    If it means anything to you his Absolute Eosinophil number is through the roof

    Neutrophil number is low

    Creatinine, cholesterol, MCHC numbers are just over the normal limits

    and T4 is .7 where under 1 is Low

    I'm hoping that I will feel better after I speak to the vet

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    Sending good thoughts your way.  I'm hoping everything is ok.

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    I have no idea what those numbers mean, other than the T4, but I hope it's nothing serious and I'll be very anxious to hear what you find out.

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    Crossing fingers that numbers look scarier than they are and that there is an easy fix.

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     Oh Karen, I'd be stressing too!  I'm thinking good thoughts for Bugsy. 

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    Oh no, Bugsy! Calm vibes to you and good thoughts that it's an easy fix - some 'mole therapy', perhaps?
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    Absolute Eosinophils have to do with how many of a certain kind of white blood cells there are -- his body is fighting some significant kind of infection.  The liver values being high likely are a response to *that* (not indiciative that the liver is the problem probably). 

    T4 will flip all over the place and that, in and of itself, isn't a big deal. 

    Vet may want to do a chem panel (or at least it would be ME suggesting that, in any event), just so the vet can keep an eye on the whole enchilada.

    Remember - it's not EVER just *one* value that says anything.  Bloodwork isn't just high/low stuff -- it's how Value C relates to value P, or what the proportion is of "Blah" to "Umptyump"!! 

     so don't come unglued -- not yet.  It's better that the body PRODUCE white blood cells to *fight* disease than when the body can't make them!  Now that doesn't mean you don't want to give the body some help -- but one value does NOT tell the tail!!! or tale, either!!

     OF COURSE NOW i LOOK A TOTAL FOOL -- I TELL YA, THIS POST WENT MISSING!!!!!!!!

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    Good thoughts from me & Bear to you Karen and Bugsy. 

     

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     thanks everyone - I am very much hoping that the super high number is related to his allergies as the internet says it can be.  I am also just hoping I am just way too emotional with the holidays and pms and that the vet will calm me down. 

    You all know how much I love my beast - even when I complain about him.

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    kpwlee

    If it means anything to you his Absolute Eosinophil number is through the roof

    Neutrophil number is low

    Creatinine, cholesterol, MCHC numbers are just over the normal limits

    and T4 is .7 where under 1 is Low

    Dang -- lost this the first time:

    Absolute Eosinophil are specific white blood cells that fight certain kinds of infection -- so his body is "fighting" something significant.

    The liver numbers are likely 'up' **because** the body is fighting so hard and the liver is trying to filter the garbage tossed off as a result from the blood.

    T4 is pretty meaningless -- that one fluctuates every time he breathes anyway -- just checking that one isn't going to tell you a thing.

    The vet likely wants to do some more bloodwork (and if he didn't suggeste it it would only be because MY mouth was running full tilt anticipating it and when do you want me to bring him in blab blablblabbbbbbbbbbbb). 

    Remember -- SERIOUSLY ****REMEMBER THIS****

    It is NOT just what may be "high" or "low".  The big deal with blood work is the ratio of certain values to each other -- and it gets complicated.  It's partly how Value C relates to Value M or N ... but if Value E is equal to Something Else then Value C needs to be half of M or N ... or some crap like that.

    Meaning -- yes, you can draw a few conclusions to high or low stuff but really not many.  This IS why vets go to vet school!! 

    I'm not making fun of you -- (not bloody likely after as many blood panels as *I* have gone breathless over in the last 7 years), BUT I'm just telling you ... make a list of questions, write everything down and remember TO breathe!!"

    I have seen blood values look DIRE *to ME* only to have the vet say "Hmm, this looks pretty darned good for Him given the time of year!!"

    orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Values that I thot looked "better" and the vet said "WE GOTTA GET THOSE LEVELS DOWN -- after XX weeks he should be better than that!!!"

    In the meanwhile, start a folder called "Bugy's Blood work" attach a piece of paper so you can take notes and DATE IT!!

    Then, dooooo remember to breathe, and holler at us!!  *hugs* Callie

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    Yeah, it can be allergies -- that IS a kind of inflammation.

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    I don't know what those numbers mean, but it looks like Callie has a great understanding of them!

    I hope Bugsy is okay, and I will send my thoughts to you!

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    calliecritturs
    It is NOT just what may be "high" or "low".  The big deal with blood work is the ratio of certain values to each other -- and it gets complicated.  It's partly how Value C relates to Value M or N ... but if Value E is equal to Something Else then Value C needs to be half of M or N ... or some crap like that.

     

    I just was explaining that to DH  - I know that it is the cluster of things and that is something I will not figure out without the vet talking through it all

    Also I have a copy of all his bloodwork from 11 mos old to this one (one per year for a total of 3) so I can see how some things are similar and may have been pushing the limits so to speak from way back in 2006.

    I am sure he will want to do another panel.

    Can you believe that he was scheduled to get typed tomorrow to be a donor?  oh how things can change

    they did check for parasites and report none seen

    As I mentioned to you Callie I have had him off benadryl by and large for a month - my best case scenario is that is the cause of the eosinophil skyrocketing

    again thanks guys

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    Ben used to get similar numbers in relation to his allergy flares. Mold is super duper high up here and I'm assuming it would be at least as bad down your way since you've been if anything, warmer the last wet week (did you get all that fog? Super creepy!). I hope they come to the same conclusion - it's possible they'll investigate the T4 number a bit more closely and if they do, that would be terrific. With his sensitivities he's somewhat higher risk for reduced thyroid function as he matures. It can be a vicious cycle - the thyroid is slightly low, which increases sensitivities, which increases inflammation, which can attack the thyroid, etc. This isn't necessarily anything that's going on now, but something to watch out for later. Prayers for the big guy from his buddies here at Irena!
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    Plenty of good thoughts from my house to yours.  Come on bUgsy...stop scaring your mama.