Off colored Boston Terriers...

i said it was erroneous. but you cant say there is one BSL that targets owners. they all target specific breeds of dogs.

if you will read through some of the advocacy threads, i am sure you will find that i am very much anti-BSL. []

Moderator speaking...
Yes..second request to get back to topic...which was Meilani's page on Red Bostons. I have already suggested other threads which could be started. Thank you all for abiding by this....second....request.

I just want to say that I read the MSN page, and as someone who doesn't know very much about Bostons, I found it very easy to read and understand. I think your arguments on the last page are well made. I can tell you worked hard on this.

I believe that red Boston Terriers are genetic defects, just as albino Dobermans, white boxers, & silver labs are.  I think that it is terrible that money hungry people will breed for a genetic defect.

I second that a lot of good work went into the pages....very well done!

ORIGINAL: DumDog

do realise you are only advertising these off coloured dogs. i wasnt even aware of the matter until now. NOW i'm curious to see what they look like.
i would be willing to bet that 20 other people have perked up their ears and have gone off the see what they look like too. some of these people
may be intrigued and want to get one for themselves. unless you are showing then colour doesnt matter. their logic would be "Hey! a unique pet!"
like silver labs, or white dobermans.


just a thought.

 
Am I advertising off colored Boston Terriers? Not at all. What I am doing is explaining to people that they are not rare, they are not worth more money, they will not be recognized by the Boston Terrier Club of America anytime soon and in the case of the all white Boston Terrier there may be a high chance that it is deaf. If a person wants an off colored Boston Terrier, that's their choice but I'd rather that they buy one based on an educated and informed decision not based on  misinformation usually given by the irresponsible breeders who sell them.

ORIGINAL: meilani

ORIGINAL: DumDog

do realise you are only advertising these off coloured dogs. i wasnt even aware of the matter until now. NOW i'm curious to see what they look like.
i would be willing to bet that 20 other people have perked up their ears and have gone off the see what they look like too. some of these people
may be intrigued and want to get one for themselves. unless you are showing then colour doesnt matter. their logic would be "Hey! a unique pet!"
like silver labs, or white dobermans.


just a thought.

Am I advertising off colored Boston Terriers? Not at all. What I am doing is explaining to people that they are not rare, they are not worth more money, they will not be recognized by the Boston Terrier Club of America anytime soon and in the case of the all white Boston Terrier there may be a high chance that it is deaf. If a person wants an off colored Boston Terrier, that's their choice but I'd rather that they buy one based on an educated and informed decision not based on  misinformation usually given by the irresponsible breeders who sell them.

granted. and i agree. but its still advertising them. its cool to educate on these things, nothing wrong with that, but for someone doing a quick browse may or may not pay heed. they might just mention it someone they know who wont do the research.
but i still agree. at least you're trying, so credit is due for that.

honestly i think they're kinda cute... but they dont look like bostons. they look like jack russle /boston mixes...

ORIGINAL: BEVOLASVEGAS

I believe that red Boston Terriers are genetic defects, just as albino Dobermans, white boxers, & silver labs are. 

Hey Amanda....not to be argumentative LOL, but I *think* the theory is that silver labs are not a genetic defect....they are a lab with some weim thrown in. Not sure though, could be wrong about that.

Excellent job on the page, Meilani.

Oh, wow! I never knew! Animal Control has a dog that I'd been calling a "teacup Boxer" (kidding, of course!). If she were a boy, I probably would have brought her home, already. She's a smidge taller than Emma (who is 13 1/2"), fawn colored, and has floppity ears. I bet she's a really poorly bred Boston, or a Boston mix. I didn't know that there was such a thing as a fawn Boston. 

Awesome-ly done! []

ORIGINAL: Benedict

ORIGINAL: BEVOLASVEGAS

I believe that red Boston Terriers are genetic defects, just as albino Dobermans, white boxers, & silver labs are. 

Hey Amanda....not to be argumentative LOL, but I *think* the theory is that silver labs are not a genetic defect....they are a lab with some weim thrown in. Not sure though, could be wrong about that.

Excellent job on the page, Meilani.

Well, that depends on who you talk to.  I have heard that they are part weim and I've heard that the silver is is a genetic abnormality.  I *think* the AKC's position is that purebred labs can be silver, but it is not correct or something to breed for.  I woould believe that considering that I've seen off colored purebred labs that were black and tan or had brindling.

The truth is probably somewhere in between--I've seen "silver labs" that looked VERY much like they were part weim and "silver labs" that looked so lab that I'd just about stake my life on the fact that they were purebred.

I went and looked at your page, Meilani, and I read most of it. But there is so much type and it is so small that it is difficult to read.

Here are a few ideas:

More pictures of what a real Boston Terrier looks like as compared to these junk dogs. It sure looks like the people breeding these "Boston Terriers" of off-color are doing it by adding in small boxer or pit bull. I'd do a head shot to head shot comparison, and then a whole body shot to body shot comparison.

I really appreciated the pictures you have there, though! That first dog is really ugly in the body lines! [Before others get all riled up, I'm not speaking as a mutt-loving dog person, I'm speaking from the point of view that these dogs are being sold as PUREBRED, even SHOW QUALITY for waaaay too much money! There is no way on God's green Earth that that first dog would be allowed in a show! Not as a Boston!]

As far as the text goes here are some tips for websites:

1. Sans serif fonts (like Arial, Impact, Verdana, Trebuchet MS are easier to read. Serif fonts are the ones that have the little feet on them, like Palatino and Times. Those are harder to read online, but easier to read on paper. The reason for that is the way computers render serifs. The little footies (serifs) get kinda blurry and don't lead the eye on the way nice clean serifs do on paper. Bottom line, change your typeface to a sans serif font and it will be much easier to read.

2. I would cut down the verbiage to a minimum to reach the maximum number of folks. Most people won't read that many words. I think you can cut down on it substantially. Be ruthless and leave the most important stuff in without a lot of editorial stuff. It will reach more people that way.

3. Pink typeface is a wee bit hard on the eyes. [sm=eek.gif] I'd pick something a bit more neutral. If you want a color, try dark red, blue, green....

I'm saying these things to give you feedback, not to hurt your feelings! I hope you know that!

As for "advertising" these bogus BTs, nothing could be further from the truth. You are doing the public a service and I applaud you! [sm=clapping hands smiley.gif]

Hey Amanda....not to be argumentative LOL, but I *think* the theory is that silver labs are not a genetic defect....they are a lab with some weim thrown in. Not sure though, could be wrong about that.

 
Kate, if anyone knows their info on silver labs, it would be you.  I am sure that you are correct there.  Thanks for correcting that for me.

ORIGINAL: jeano

I went and looked at your page, Meilani, and I read most of it. But there is so much type and it is so small that it is difficult to read.

Here are a few ideas:

More pictures of what a real Boston Terrier looks like as compared to these junk dogs. It sure looks like the people breeding these "Boston Terriers" of off-color are doing it by adding in small boxer or pit bull. I'd do a head shot to head shot comparison, and then a whole body shot to body shot comparison.

 
That's a good idea. I asked my Boston Terrier friends to send me pictures so I can add them on there.

I really appreciated the pictures you have there, though! That first dog is really ugly in the body lines! [Before others get all riled up, I'm not speaking as a mutt-loving dog person, I'm speaking from the point of view that these dogs are being sold as PUREBRED, even SHOW QUALITY for waaaay too much money! There is no way on God's green Earth that that first dog would be allowed in a show! Not as a Boston!]

As far as the text goes here are some tips for websites:

1. Sans serif fonts (like Arial, Impact, Verdana, Trebuchet MS are easier to read. Serif fonts are the ones that have the little feet on them, like Palatino and Times. Those are harder to read online, but easier to read on paper. The reason for that is the way computers render serifs. The little footies (serifs) get kinda blurry and don't lead the eye on the way nice clean serifs do on paper. Bottom line, change your typeface to a sans serif font and it will be much easier to read.

 
I fixed it on My Space. Damn those default fonts.

2. I would cut down the verbiage to a minimum to reach the maximum number of folks. Most people won't read that many words. I think you can cut down on it substantially. Be ruthless and leave the most important stuff in without a lot of editorial stuff. It will reach more people that way.

 
A lot of the verbiage is the breed standard throughout the years. I included those because a lot of people who are breeding off colored BT's often claim that these colors were allowed in the standards even though they were excluded in the first revision back in 1914. Another reason why I posted them is for historical information. I know it's wordy but I'm a member of a huge Boston Terrier message board. We get a lot of folks on there asking about off colored Boston Terrier and they usually speak of the misinformation that an irresponsible breeder has told them and I'd like to be able to show them the correct information.

3. Pink typeface is a wee bit hard on the eyes. [sm=eek.gif] I'd pick something a bit more neutral. If you want a color, try dark red, blue, green....

 
I fixed that.

I'm saying these things to give you feedback, not to hurt your feelings! I hope you know that!

 
I totally appreciate your input. []

As for "advertising" these bogus BTs, nothing could be further from the truth. You are doing the public a service and I applaud you! [sm=clapping hands smiley.gif]

 
Gracias!! []

I'm a vet tech and about a month ago a client brought her dog in on an emergency. It was listed (and they swear up and down it is) as a Boston, but I (and everyone at the clinic) would swear it was a french bulldog. Very short face, very short stocky body, huge bat ears.. They apparently bred them, and she'd had a puppy stuck since 4 in the morning..they brought it in at 7:30, in spite of the clinic offering emergency services. The vet tried to deliver the puppy, but it was soon obvious that it would require a c-section. They recommended spaying her, but the owners refused.  It was just the one huge headed puppy in there, already passed on by that time, of course.  She recovered at work overnight, and went home the next day, but she died at home two days later. She was all of a year old.
And sadly, I don't think her owners learned anything about intelligent breeding