2 dogs, bro and sis, when/how to prevent Caligula/Nero puppies ???

Here's a great idea, get 'em spayed & neautered![]

Actually there is a medical reason to spay a bitch that will not be bred.  As per the seminar by Dr. Hutchinson (a leading reproduction specialist vet), each heat cycle results in degradation of the utereus due to the progesterin flush associated with ovulation.  Each season does a bit more damage which increases the possibility of pyometritis (sp?).  In addition, you reduce the chance of mammary tumors (cancer). 
 
You might wish to take such information into consideration when making your decision.

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Here's a great idea, get 'em spayed & neautered![]

 
Is "neautered" the new fangled way to (and I quote from OP) "without mutilating either dog and altering these animal's behaviour".  Sorry couldn't resist the typo.

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Added:  And since I have received PMs on this, I want to add the dog's medical condition was late in life.  I have had the dog since puppyhood and her behavior has been consistenent through her life. 

My apologies. I had forgotten that the reason she refused to mate was her desire to please you. I remember now.

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My apologies. I had forgotten that the reason she refused to mate was her desire to please you. I remember now.

 
Excellent memory, extending all the way back to December.  But you did forget this quote by me from that thread.
 
"Drizzle is a Great Dane and 8 years old.  According to the breed description she is nearing the end of her life.  She is in perfect health and I want her to be with me for many years to come.  I have no intentions of mating Drizzle now nor has she ever has had pups.  I did not equate Drizzle desire to please me with her not allowing any dog to mount her during season.  Her not allowing other dogs to mount her is her choice and it so happens pleases me.  It may be a dominance thing or it may be something she does not want to do."

My memory is great, for things that matter.

Thanks Xerxes, CPU,  a one or two others, you posted good info. **Content Removed**

The "onesies", are these made specifically for dogs, or are they just regular baby onesies ?
Will look over net for any links to the alternative med. op. for castration.

All of my dogs have been big (Dane, Doberman, Chow).  It is difficult for me to imagine an uncontrollable 9 pound Lhasa.  I hold their leash with my pinky finger, and they haven't overpowered me yet, though they are sneaky, clever little critters.  Would like to let them get a couple of years of normal life before I mutilate them for the sake of my convenience.

Would like to let them get a couple of years of normal life before I mutilate them for the sake of my convenience.

[color=#000000][size=3]With all due respect, there is nothing "normal" about not allowing a female in heat to mate.  It drives both the female and many nearby males crazy.  Note that that includes both the intact, male dogs and many of the neutered, male dogs belonging to your neighbors.
 
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Bunni breeds miniature poodles.  She uses disposable diapers and onesies to prevent unwanted breeding, so I sent her an email and asked that she contribute to this thread.

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Issue:  Would like to keep from mutilating either dog and altering these animal's behaviour.

 
One, I think a little spelling lesson would work wonders. Two, spaying and neutering is not mutilating a dog. It's an easy solution to prevent pet over population. Too bad us humans can't apply that approach to ourselves. As well, spaying and neutering really don't change the dogs behavior except for the better.
 
You posted on a dog board where a lot of people believe in spaying and neutering, what kind of answer did you expect to get?
 
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Honestly, I just don't get it.  And no, I'm not trying to be ratty -- but how is spaying or neutering 'mutilating'?  Because the OP is asking, in the alternative, viable ways of NOT letting them mate?
 
So ... surgically enabling them not to be burdened with those heavy reproductive urges/needs so they can just be happy, playing dogs is a negative when having them have to endure all sorts of feelings and drives that the *human* isn't about to allow them to give in to (because incest does produce all the worst genetics possible) and having everyone have to live by a calendar and be separated from each other --  I just honestly completely don't understand. 
 
If they were "living in the wild" completely able to follow their own instinct -- that's a whole different story.  But when they are having to live in domestication (and dealing with our messy atmosphere, noise-driven, schedule-driven, no-I-don't-have-time-for-this-now society) -- I truly just don't understand why it isn't *kinder* to help them live happy (and healthier, etc. but I'm not even going to go there) than not altering them and leaving them to suffer urges we have no intention of allowing satisfied?
 
Like I said -- I'm not trying to be ratty -- but I've always seen spay/neuter as more of a kindness than anything else. 
 
I like to wear earrings and I decided by the time I was 13 that it was a WHOLE lot easier to have my ears pierced than to have to wear screw on earrings for the rest of my life and have my ears be in pain.  I wouldn't say mutilated. 
 
There are a lot of real life similar situations -- we do the best we can to make the best long-range decisions/choices we can that are responsible.  And when we have responsibility for a child or a pet, we make the best choices for them that we can but with an eye to their long term comfort and well being -- not simply a momentary or short-term discomfort.
 
And I honestly don't mean that in a nasty way -- if you have to live with a particular thing in this life you do the thing that makes it the most do-able.  I'm handicapped and I only WISH my house had ramps at every exit.  I wouldn't consider it 'marring' my house but rather being helpful.  Practical ... less painful ...
 
I hope I'm making sense.  But I've always seen this type of 'argument' as something I just honestly can't understand.  I guess I'm just trying to present a bit of a different point of view.

I have a lhasa apso who was left intact for longer than I would have liked.  She went through one heat.  Lets just say they call them bitches for a reason. 
You would think you would be able to control a 15 lb dog.  This is not always the case.  I have one.   It doesn't change their personality much. All it did was make her easier to train.  I wish it had changed her more, I still have to work with her because she will bite any unknown male that comes into our house and is moving. And I have worked with her every day for three years on this.
I have no political agenda, I just want to see what is best for the dog done.
Look at it this way, imagine when you were a teenager and your hormones were raging.  Now, right beside you was a smokin' hot guy you know really well and you are both alone. You can't do anything.  Someone put iron britches on you or something.  How much tourture would that be for you?  I have basically been in that situation, and I can tell you, it is tourture! Take away the hot guy, and it is still tourture during that time.   And I know all the reasons why I shouldn't do anything.  The dog has no understanding of the consequences. Only that it wants to do it and can't.

How is FIXING A DOG mutalating or MUTATING THEIR BEHAVIOR OR WHATEVER your words mean? Fixing a dog can SAVE IT's LIFE. A TON of dogs die a year BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T FIX THEM! testicle diseases, and people drop off puppies all the time at the shelter, EVERYTIME a new dog comes into the shelter A DIFFERENT LOVING,CARING dog dies due to lack of space in the shelter! There are a TON of RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS out there THAT TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY and are INFORMED about this. There are a ton of breeders out there, and a ton of dogs DYING EVERY SECOND IN THE POUND BECAUSE PEOPLE BREED THEIR DOGS AND DONT ADOPT THE ONES IN THE SHELTER INSTEAD.

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