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Obama (Ties to Islam?)

Posted : 9/12/2008 9:26:25 AM

janet_rose

dgriego
My vote is with radical "christian" with some ties to Islam. He was a member of a radical church, that could be called racist (would be for sure if it had been a white church doing this) and a church that allows black muslims, gives awards to muslims, sympathizes with muslims, and then of course he does have muslim ties from his youth.

He was a member of a church whose preacher sometimes (how often?) expresses racist ideas. I am sure there are Southern churches that have preachers with KKK leanings, but that doesn't mean all the members of the church agree with him on that issue..

It is quite possible that Obama's ex-preacher was a good preacher, except for occasional racist lapses that most people ignored. Attention certainly went to the preacher's head when Obama started campaigning.

Most Christian churches allow members of any religion to attend - including Muslims. A lot of Christians sympathize with the discrimination problems that Muslims have in the U.S.

What kind of awards does a church give? Public service? Rescuing kids from a fire?

Muslim ties from his youth? He had Muslim friends? Was that in Hawaii? Personally I don't pick my friends by their religion. I could have Muslim friends and not even know it.

As a kid I attended a week long Baptist church school with a friend once. It didn't make me a Baptist and I thought some of the ideas expressed were rather strange - one guy demonstrated how much he did not know about the theory of evolution.

How about some references showing exactly what you are referring to?

ETA: Whoops! This thread is supposed to be about Palin. How about starting a new thread on Obama and telling us where you learned of his Muslim connections?

Started by request and in order to not derail the Palin thread.

I would first off like to state that I do not believe that Obama is a closet jihadist who is going to burst out of the closet upon election. I do however think that he has not been straightforward in discussing his ties to Islam.

He has publicly come out and denounced the rantings of Farakhan, yet he has Nation of Islam members on his staff.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66167

There has been recent light shed on Islamic convert, America-hater, Black Panther Party adviser, and Saudi royalty confidante Khalid Al-Mansour assisting Obama's Harvard Law School education.

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-81924

I have to go off to work now, not a lot of time this morning to really gather much but this is a start.

Oh and let us not forget that much of the Muslim world think Obama is a Muslim, Gaddafi has stated this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo&eurl=http://www.hcsfjm.com/

Liesje

Posted : 9/12/2008 10:32:13 AM

Personally, I don't see much relevance or significance in "ties to Islam". I mean, everyone has ties to a LOT of things, many things we personally are not involved with. I have ties to Islam, racist people, the KKK, criminals, *** and anti-semites....you name it. I don't think anyone has to publicly denounce everyone they have ties with in order to maintain the credibility of their own faith. I am a Christian and the wisest, most respectable man I have ever met was raised in the south by racist KKK members and spent a lot of his adult life living and working in a Muslim country. I have never, ever met a more compassionate, Christ-like person. Personally, I find it hard to trust and respect people who have limited themselves to only ever associating with those people that act and think exactly like them.

On another note, I don't think one's religions or spiritual convictions have any place in the White House anyway. So say Obama is "50% Muslim" or whatever....I really don't give a flying turd.

cyclefiend2000

Posted : 9/12/2008 11:02:36 AM

this person seems to have a pretty good handle on why we should elect obama...

http://www.huliq.com/3255/67668/triumph-gop-white-trailer-trash

whtsthfrequency

Posted : 9/12/2008 3:19:21 PM

Is your problem with the Muslim connection itself, or only the supposed radical Islam connection? Because even if he was Muslim...who cares, as long as he isn't an extremist (and I would say that about any religion).

fuzzy_dogs_mom

Posted : 9/12/2008 3:22:39 PM

whtsthfrequency

Is your problem with the Muslim connection itself, or only the supposed radical Islam connection? Because even if he was Muslim...who cares, as long as he isn't an extremist (and I would say that about any religion).

Amen!! Have we all forgotten about some of the horrible things done to humanity in the name of Christianity?

Joyce

ron2

Posted : 9/12/2008 5:51:22 PM

The primary objections I have to Obama are lack of experience and knowledge. But the most important thing is highly emotionally to me. And any one of you can tell me to "do some research" or, like in the other thread, flat out call me "silly", devalue my views and things I find important. That's okay, I'm a big guy and I can take it.

And that highly emotional thing is that Obama will not honor the flag.

Serge, grandfather, german immigrant who became an american citizen and served in WWII against the Hitler Regime.

Robert. step-grandfather, communication specialist, US Army, between Korea and Viet Nam.

Gerald, 1st step-father, US Navy, Boiler Tech 2c, USS Ogden, Sea of Japan (in support of Viet Nam), though he was career with the aim of making cpo.

Richard, 2nd step-father, USMC, Recon, Viet Nam.

Tom, 3rd step-father, Sgt. US Air Force, Viet Nam.

Lamar, Lt. US Navy, fighter pilot, Viet Nam.

James, Air Force, Master Flight Sgt. Viet Nam, shot down, wounded in action. Later, Master Sgt and DI Alabama Air National Guard.

Robby, childhood friend, Air Force, equipment and diesel mechanic, Wiesbaden, Germany.

Paul, friend, US Navy SEAL.

Lee, friend and co-worker, PO2, US Navy SEAL, Viet Nam.

Robert, asst. scoutmaster when I was young and in the Scouts, Army Ranger LRRP.

Charlie, FIL, 9th USAF, 410 Light Bomber Group, WWII, France.

These people, near and dear to me, paid the price in blood, sweat, and tears for the flag of this, our wonderful and free country. The same flag that Obama will not honor. Therefore, he does not belong in my white house.

And no amount of vitriolic or patronizing poop to the contrary is going to change how I feel about all of that. Call it diaper training, if you want. It would be easier for me to soil my pants than it would be to disregard the flag and the people who have cried and died to keep it up there and flying.

dgriego

Posted : 9/12/2008 5:58:06 PM

cyclefiend2000

this person seems to have a pretty good handle on why we should elect obama...

http://www.huliq.com/3255/67668/triumph-gop-white-trailer-trash

so you believe Palin is "white trailer trash"?

dgriego

Posted : 9/12/2008 6:04:23 PM

whtsthfrequency
Is your problem with the Muslim connection itself, or only the supposed radical Islam connection? Because even if he was Muslim...who cares, as long as he isn't an extremist (and I would say that about any religion).

My reasons for not voting for Obama are very simple ones, he is way out in the left far field I am somewhere in the middle of the right. Other concerns are the connection to his radical church, it is not his faith or his lack of it, or his declaration of it, it is just the worry that after 20 years he must believe in same way what this pastor teaches.

As for Islam, I have already stated I do not believe he is a closet Muslim, and even if he were a Muslim, it is the acceptance of him by those who are radical muslims which in my opinion is just another thing that validates my choice not to vote for him.

I must be honest here. If he had no ties to Islam, if he went to Calvary Chapel or Grace Baptist or Our Lady of the Angels for the past 20 years, if there were no allegations concerning his birthplace or his citizenship and if he had years and years of experience, even if all these things were true and his position on the issues were the same then I would not vote for him, so all these things are minor points to me.

mrv

Posted : 9/12/2008 6:07:02 PM

OK many of you are not old enough to directly remember this, but JFK was presented as "questionable" with respect to his Catholic faith.....There is never anything new under the sun........

Faith is faith regardless of the label attached to it. Why should it matter if one is associated with Hinduism, Budist beliefs, Christian precepts or Jewish doctrine. Let alone the practices of native peoples the world over.

Sorry, if your faith sustains you, guides your actions and brings good to others..... does the "name" matter.

Aside: Point to ponder, if you are smart, if you surround yourself with smart, experienced people, do you have to be an expert in all things.......

dgriego

Posted : 9/12/2008 6:15:56 PM

ron2
The primary objections I have to Obama are lack of experience and knowledge. But the most important thing is highly emotionally to me. And any one of you can tell me to "do some research" or, like in the other thread, flat out call me "silly", devalue my views and things I find important. That's okay, I'm a big guy and I can take it.And that highly emotional thing is that Obama will not honor the flag. Serge, grandfather, german immigrant who became an american citizen and served in WWII against the Hitler Regime.Robert. step-grandfather, communication specialist, US Army, between Korea and Viet Nam.Gerald, 1st step-father, US Navy, Boiler Tech 2c, USS Ogden, Sea of Japan (in support of Viet Nam), though he was career with the aim of making cpo.Richard, 2nd step-father, USMC, Recon, Viet Nam.Tom, 3rd step-father, Sgt. US Air Force, Viet Nam.Lamar, Lt. US Navy, fighter pilot, Viet Nam.James, Air Force, Master Flight Sgt. Viet Nam, shot down, wounded in action. Later, Master Sgt and DI Alabama Air National Guard.Robby, childhood friend, Air Force, equipment and diesel mechanic, Wiesbaden, Germany.Paul, friend, US Navy SEAL.Lee, friend and co-worker, PO2, US Navy SEAL, Viet Nam.Robert, asst. scoutmaster when I was young and in the Scouts, Army Ranger LRRP.Charlie, FIL, 9th USAF, 410 Light Bomber Group, WWII, France.These people, near and dear to me, paid the price in blood, sweat, and tears for the flag of this, our wonderful and free country. The same flag that Obama will not honor. Therefore, he does not belong in my white house.And no amount of vitriolic or patronizing poop to the contrary is going to change how I feel about all of that. Call it diaper training, if you want. It would be easier for me to soil my pants than it would be to disregard the flag and the people who have cried and died to keep it up there and flying.

I get what you mean Ron and I echo your sentiments. My son was awarded the honor of raising and lowering (morning and evening) the flag at his school. It was yesterday 9/11 and he was so honored when he came home on 9/10, he told me "mom, I get to have flag duty tomorrow, on 9/11!” When he came home, I asked him how it went (he was in his Marine ROTC uniform) and he told me it went very well except for the fact that the condition of the flag upset him. It was tattered and torn by the wind. Now we have decided that we must get the school a new flag. It is just intolerable that a tattered one should be flying. They say they do not have sufficient funds to purchase a new one, so our new crusade is to have them a new flag as soon as possible. A lot of people would not even notice this, even more would not even stop to think about it, and many would not be in the least bit bothered by it. It drives me nuts and obviously it has rubbed off on my children. Growing up I use to make them angry by forcing them to stop at ball games and hockey games whenever the anthem began to play. Regardless of where we were, we had to stop, and face the flag and give it honor until the song was finished. They hated this when they were small, and would question me about it, after all most everyone not in their seats already continue walking to their seats or continue their wait in the line for snacks or continue in their way to the bathroom and we had to stop.

It is not a worship of the flag, it is not just protocol, it is because to me that flag represents sacrifice and freedom and many of the things I hold dear, people bled for it, some died for it and it requires honoring, nothing else is acceptable.

alieliza

Posted : 9/12/2008 6:24:50 PM

dgriego
Other concerns are the connection to his radical church, it is not his faith or his lack of it, or his declaration of it, it is just the worry that after 20 years he must believe in same way what this pastor teaches.

This is not in direct response to you, per se, but I have seen this reason stated here on this board as well as in other arenas.

What I wonder is this: Barack has not exhibited any racism during his campaign, as far as I have seen. We are only passing this judgement based on the company he has been in. Are we safe to assume that no other president in history (including George W.) hasn't exhibited, or harbored, racist tendencies, feelings of racism, or been in the company of racists? Or would it not matter because the racism is not pointed at a collective you?

ron2

Posted : 9/12/2008 6:29:28 PM

The flag I have was near the top of a trash heap when, in 1996, I was working on a remodel of an elementary school in McKinney, Tx. That is not the proper way to de-commission and resign a flag. Anyway, I took it home, washed it a few times, sewed a few spots and I still fly it today.

dgriego

Posted : 9/12/2008 7:53:53 PM

alieliza
dgriego
Other concerns are the connection to his radical church, it is not his faith or his lack of it, or his declaration of it, it is just the worry that after 20 years he must believe in same way what this pastor teaches.

This is not in direct response to you, per se, but I have seen this reason stated here on this board as well as in other arenas.

What I wonder is this: Barack has not exhibited any racism during his campaign, as far as I have seen. We are only passing this judgement based on the company he has been in. Are we safe to assume that no other president in history (including George W.) hasn't exhibited, or harbored, racist tendencies, feelings of racism, or been in the company of racists? Or would it not matter because the racism is not pointed at a collective you?

Well I guess the only thing I can say is if McCain who has my vote had attended a church for 20 years where they openly stated that they were a white community church, and they openly blamed both the government and the black race for aids and poverty and every other problem and they openly preached that America had it coming on 9/11 because of the behavior of blacks then he would never get my vote. If he attended a church that was openly affiliated with the KKK, that gave out community service awards to David Duke and passed out KKK pamphlets in the foyer then he would never get my vote.

And if this was McCain and I still could not bring myself to vote for Obama (because he is the most liberal senator) then I would cast my vote for an independent, a write in, or I would stay home.

I really cannot spell it out any more clearly. I go to church and have for the past 20 years, I am very aware of what my pastors over the years teach, I would not sit under any pastor no matter how good he normally is, who was openly a racist in the pulpit(or outside it if I was aware) whether he spoke against whites, blacks, Jews, Indians and yes even Muslims.

I despise the radical Islamic jihadist like those who flew the planes into the WTC, I support and desire our country to hunt down every last one of them, to hunt down every last supporter of them and to hunt down every last person who gives them aid and comfort…and then kill them. But……..I would not sit under a pastor who taught or suggested that we hate all Muslims or that we kill them, as a matter of fact I would be concerned if I heard a pastor speak what I just wrote above. After all God desires that I pray for my enemies. Pastors are more accountable for their actions and words than an ordinary layman; even the Bible (which I know is meaningless to some of you) states that those who teach are held at a higher standard than those who do not. They will also be judged to that standard.

James: Chapter 3, Verse 1 :1 Dear brothers and sisters,^[a] not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly.

dgriego

Posted : 9/12/2008 8:09:47 PM

My son and I just ordered a flag from our Senator, it will be flown over the nations capitol and we will have it in 4-6 weeks! He is so excited!

It will come with a certificate telling the date and time it flew over the capitol and it will be awarded to his school and his MCROTC group will be able to have a retirement ceremony for the old flag.

It is to tattered to be saved

sillysally

Posted : 9/12/2008 8:47:33 PM

A boarder at our barn used to work for Farrakhan taking care of his horses and dogs. Our barn has taken his family for a trail ride, and I had a nice conversation with his mother while they were out on the ride......

Therefore, I have ties to Islam.....

.......nobody had better vote for me.....

......I could turn on ya'll at any moment......