Sarah Palin ~ Unbelievable!

cyclefiend2000

alieliza

I am deeply saddened by the fact that someone would have to hide their faith,

 

interesting.... you all have been ripping up palin for being an outspoken christian. however, you all find it odd that a muslim person might want to hide their faith to gain office. seems to me that any religious person would be best served by keeping their faith a secret while trying to gain an office.

My comment is not in terms of gaining office. My comment is in response to the idea that being muslim is appalling in the eyes of the public. That muslim people are demonized by the public. Im just talking about regular day to day stuff.

Barack Obama does not hide his faith. But he doesn't flaunt it either with regards to his political and religious policies that he is inflicting upon others.

 Think about it, he would be a fool to talk about it, but that does not mean it is not his own personal belief, after all how many people will attend a church for twenty years that they hate and do not agree with. During the O’Reilly interviews he stated that he attended twice a month. That works out to be about 480 sermons. 

 Okay, either the guy is a closet Muslim, or he's best buddies with a crazy CHRISTIAN pastor. Personally I don't think either is true, but gosh darn it, much as they might want to, his detractors can't have it *both* ways! He can't be a Muslim AND a radical/racist/whatever Christian!

Myra

I'm jumping in here w/o having read most of the thread.

But I just wanted to say that I really don't think examples like the above are indicative of anything at all.  For every died-in-the-wool Democrat someone can post about who says he/she is going to vote Republican this year, I'm pretty sure I or someone else could post about a died-in-the-wool Republican who says he/she is going to vote Democrat.  Cross-over votes are certainly nothing new or unique, there are always plenty of them in every election

It's all fun and games. This debate is largely moot as McCain and Palin will be the next Pres and VP. Due in part to crossover votes like the one you crapped on in my post. I can't wait to tell John his opinion means nothing. He will, of course, have a different view.

ron2

I can't wait to tell John his opinion means nothing.

No one said that John's opinion means nothing.  His vote counts just like everyone else's.  However, it does not tell us anything about what the election results will be.

There are cross-over votes in both directions in every election.  A large number of cross-over votes in one direction may be significant in an election, but one cross-over vote is meaningless in predicting the election results. 

ron2

This debate is largely moot as McCain and Palin will be the next Pres and VP. Due in part to crossover votes like the one you crapped on in my post. I can't wait to tell John his opinion means nothing. He will, of course, have a different view.

More than a little disingenuous, aren't you?  I never said or implied that his opinion meant nothing, nor did I "crap" on it.

As far as claiming that McCain will win due to crossover votes--you can state it as often as you like, but as we all know that doesn't make it true.  The press would have us believe that new Democrats are registering in droves.  I think it's safe to assume that most of those newly-registered voters aren't doing so because they intend to cast a crossover vote.  But only time will tell.

Myra

But only time will tell

My point exactly. So, I wouldn't dismiss my co-worker's vote so quickly, as you and others have done. It is quite easy to say that there will be cross-overs in any election and that it doesn't always sway the tide, but sometimes, it does. Bush got elected by votes from people originally thought to be of the democractic party.

janet_rose

but one cross-over vote is meaningless in predicting the election results

So, you're saying directly right there that John's vote is meaningless. That's two against him. Poor guy.

ron2

This debate is largely moot as McCain and Palin will be the next Pres and VP.

I have a friend that is a cross-over Republican to Democrat.  She and I will be voting for Obama.

This debate is largely moot as Obama will be the next President!

My "moot" is bigger and bolder than yours, but will have no more or less effect on the election. 

janet_rose

but one cross-over vote is meaningless in predicting the election results

Now you are just being silly!!    Using your logic everybody's vote is meaningless because no one vote is predictive of the election results.  .

Poor everybody! 

Cita

Okay, either the guy is a closet Muslim, or he's best buddies with a crazy CHRISTIAN pastor. Personally I don't think either is true, but gosh darn it, much as they might want to, his detractors can't have it *both* ways! He can't be a Muslim AND a radical/racist/whatever Christian!

 So both are possible.

janet_rose

This debate is largely moot as Obama will be the next President!

My "moot" is bigger and bolder than yours, but will have no more or less effect on the election. 

apparently we  have a psychic among us. moot!

my moot is even bigger than yours! 

dgriego

My vote is with radical "christian" with some ties to Islam. He was a member of a radical church, that could be called racist (would be for sure if it had been a white church doing this) and a church that allows black muslims, gives awards to muslims, sympathizes with muslims, and then of course he does have muslim ties from his youth.

He was a member of a church whose preacher sometimes (how often?) expresses racist ideas.  I am sure there are Southern churches that have preachers with KKK leanings, but that doesn't mean all the members of the church agree with him on that issue..

It is quite possible that Obama's ex-preacher was a good preacher, except for occasional racist lapses that most people ignored.   Attention certainly went to the preacher's head when Obama started campaigning. 

Most Christian churches allow members of any religion to attend - including Muslims.  A lot of Christians sympathize with the discrimination problems that Muslims have in the U.S.

What kind of awards does a church give?  Public service?  Rescuing kids from a fire? 

Muslim ties from his youth?  He had Muslim friends?  Was that in Hawaii?  Personally I don't pick my friends by their religion.  I could have Muslim friends and not even know it.

As a kid I attended a week long Baptist church school with a friend once.  It didn't make me a Baptist and I thought some of the ideas expressed were rather strange - one guy demonstrated how much he did not know about the theory of evolution. 

How about some references showing exactly what you are referring to?

ETA:  Whoops!  This thread is supposed to be about Palin.  How about starting a new thread on Obama and telling us where you learned of his Muslim connections?

janet_rose

Now you are just being silly!!  

Au contraire. You had just finished saying that one cross-over vote is meaningless in predicting election results. That is still saying, imo, that his vote is meaningless. Get a whole bunch of those meaningless votes together and it's not quite meaningless anymore, for either party. BTW, I'm not registered to any political party.

But don't worry, I get it. The whole point of your statement was to devalue what I was trying to say about my co-worker's opinion and how strong a situation this is to break away from his regular voting habit. Because he or I dare to support Palin.

But go ahead and take your best shot. When McCain and Palin are in the White House, I will be gracious and not keep bringing this up.

 amazing some of these posts - first it was Ron that said the debate was moot because the Republican ticket would win. So cyclefiend it isn't the crazy Democrats that are apparently psychic

as for crossover votes - this election witll have many.  In fact they are saying that NC may vote Democrat for the first time in decades (can't remember the exact figure do don't bother researching it and correcting me - it was a loooooooooong time) So the fact that your friend has stated he will vote Repub. doesn't mean that the Repubs will win.  I think this one will be determined on 11/4 and not any sooner.

Did any one that is big on SP see her interview with Charlie Gibson where she didn't know what the Bush doctrine was? - clearly caught off guard and got snippy.  Time will divulge all that she is or isn't.  For now what we can mostly debate is her statements about pushing her religious beliefs and family values and how she states she's ready.  I must admit that watching that interview sequence gave me a chuckle - if Charlie Gibson can upset you wow - you had best get up to speed.  And to think this is the only interview she would agree to - now we all know why