Sarah Palin ~ Unbelievable!

Regardless of who is doing the saying, MUCH has been made of McCains POW status, and in fact, some of his commercials have shown footage of him being released, or rather, returning to American soil.  And the clips that are ued when he's being interviewed?  Don't fool yourself into thinking that those are NOT preapproved by McCain and/or his people.  I'm "touched" that he mentioned other POW's.  What about the hundreds of thousands of OTHER soldiers who returned forever damaged, whether physically or emotionally, by that experiene?  Let us NOT forget, that we (generic) reviled those who returned from VN, and not make someone a hero who we (generic) would have shunned back then.  Not until we are ready to make ALL who served heros.

As a nation, we have moved away from allowing public figures any sort of privacy.  JFK was a dreadful womanizer.  No one talked about it.  What he did inside and outside of his marriage didn't effect how he led our nation and he was allowed the privacy of his own affairs.  That sort of stuff SHOULD be between a husband and wife, NOT fodder for the press and NOT the business of every man woman and child in the nation.  Who really gives a flying flip that Bill Clinton got a BJ in the oval office?  LYING about it, yeah, that was our business, but, the question should NOT have been asked in a public forum.  That belonged between him and Hillary.

So am I outraged that private email was gotten into?  Yes and no.  What I post here, what I express in my private email is NOT private.  Why should anyone in this country, particularly with the advent of Homeland Security, expect privacy be it in their homes, a hotel room, on the phone, or on the internet?  And, I am a private citizen, not a sports figure, a star of music, stage or screen, and certainly not a politician.  I guess if I am not entitled to my privacy, turn about is fair play.

aerial1313

Actually, Glenda, the only time I have heard McCain speak about his time as a POW was during his acceptance speech at the convention.  And it was very moving and emotional.  He had been reluctant to bring it up, but his staffers encouraged him to speak about it during his speech.

McCain has mentioned it many, many times before hisveryownself.

When he told that same old story at the convention, I was reciting it myself word-for-word, except I was a bit ahead of him in the story.  I've heard him tell it so many times I've memorized it.  Despite what he and his campaign would have you believe, he is apparently far from reluctant to bring it up.

glenmar

  What about the hundreds of thousands of OTHER soldiers who returned forever damaged, whether physically or emotionally, by that experiene?  Let us NOT forget, that we (generic) reviled those who returned from VN, and not make someone a hero who we (generic) would have shunned back then.  Not until we are ready to make ALL who served heros.

Amen!!  And frankly, I'm getting tired of these clips.  It's way past time to stop trading on the War Hero/POW thing in an attempt to garner sympathy and/or votes.  This happened more than 40 years ago.  As Glenda said, he hasn't done a darn thing that hundreds of others before and after him haven't done.  He's starting to remind me of the old dude  that can't let go of his high school football glory days ... everything begins and ends with the " big game."

Joyce

 did any  of you catch the speeches given by mccain and palin in iowa today right about lunchtime (EDT)? i missed most of palin's speech. i thought mccain had some interesting things to say. in particular about franklin raines... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines

cyclefiend2000

 did any  of you catch the speeches given by mccain and palin in iowa today right about lunchtime (EDT)? i missed most of palin's speech. i thought mccain had some interesting things to say. in particular about franklin raines... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines

And Jim Johnson, too!  He made $90 million running Fannie Mae, and was the head of Obama's VP search committee.  Also, Obama received the second highest amount in contributions from Fannie Mae of anyone in the Senate.  Hmmmmm.......

aerial1313

cyclefiend2000

 did any  of you catch the speeches given by mccain and palin in iowa today right about lunchtime (EDT)? i missed most of palin's speech. i thought mccain had some interesting things to say. in particular about franklin raines... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines

And Jim Johnson, too!  He made $90 million running Fannie Mae, and was the head of Obama's VP search committee.  Also, Obama received the second highest amount in contributions from Fannie Mae of anyone in the Senate.  Hmmmmm.......

I just heard about the money Obama made from contributions yesterday when I was driving home and listening to Colmes on the radio. I swear I'm going to be schizophrenic before this is all over, but taking into account the further collapse of the economy this week, I'm leaning more towards McCain now. Apparently, he coauthored legislation that would have created stricter controls over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It didn't pass, and perhaps it wouldn't have helped the current situation, but I like the idea that he was able to see the problems and look for a way to prevent messes like the one we're in. My #1 concern right now is the economy and I'm not sure we'll be better off with Obama. I may feel completely different tomorrow though, so I just keep listening/reading and trying to sort out facts from the media hype.

Oh, yes, McCain predicted this would happen 3 years ago.  But, no one was listening.

You know the most shocking part of that contributions deal...the list was compiled from total contributions from 1989-2008.  Obama was the second highest recipient....and he's only been there for three years!!!!

My #1 concern right now is the economy and I'm not sure we'll be better off with Obama.

ditto.

I'm not sure I'd trust the economy to someone who actually thinks the economy is strong right now.  I'm asking myself if I'm better off now than I was eight years ago ... if the answer is "yes" I'll give Bush a third term.  However .... the answer is a resounding NO.

Joyce

glenmar

And, I see that you've carefully avoided quoting me, or responding directly to my points

Can't please everyone. Sometimes, I have only enough time for one reply.

glenmar

But, dang it, right now I feel like stomping my foot, tossing my head and acting like a total GIRL over the crack about getting feelings hurt. 

I thought about it today and I suspected it would bite me in the butt. I suspected, while skytracking a transformer up to the second floor of the building that it might be taken as sexist that I would express concerns that I hurt someone's feelings. Not because I was referring to women, in general, having easy to hurt feelings. Just that I thought a person was getting her feelings hurt, regardless of the fact that she is a woman. My feeling is that you want to paint me as a sexist, especially since I don't buy the idea that Bush is responsible for the continuing depression in MI, something I can't do anything about, either. I think you think that I am cavalier to the plight of your state, no matter how many times to the contrary I can sympathize. None of which has anything to do with me being labeled a sexist or that you are a woman.

glenmar

MEN get their feelings hurt too

You're durn tootin'.  That's why I have stated over and over again, which is evidently not as fun to read as it is to call me a sexist, that my main complaint about Obama is an emotional thing for me. He will not honor the flag that my friends and family paid dearly for. Yeah, we do get hurt feelings, too. In fact, I would have thought that my mentioning that more than once would point out that some men have feelings that can get hurt.

glenmar

You support the Republican ticket

I do not. I am conservative but I am not republican or democrat or even registered with the Libertarian Party. I vote my conscience each time. Moreso than my hapless, disenfranchised co-worker, who usually votes democrat all the way. Which is not to say that he votes without conscience. He does, it's just that his judgement usually leads to democratic tickets.

I won't respond to the thing about McCain as someone else already responded well enough for me and, though you may not believe it, I know a bit about returning vets from Nam and what they went through. NIghtmares for decades. PTSD. Scarred bodies. Lee's fun in the big Asian Vacation, got him pins in his hips and ankles and a teflon coated stainless steel kneecap on his left knee. And a less than warming reception upon returning. Often times, a soldier would come back from a fire fight and his rotation points were up so he would catch an evac back to a city, such as Da Nang or Hanoi. Then would be on a commercial flight back home, still in dirty fatigues with the blood of his mates still on him. And people back home, watching and reading "investigative journalism," (the FACTS as they understood them to be from the other side of the world) would assume that all combat soldiers where killing women and children. That, on top of being an unpopular war, would get him spit on and accosted. So, here's a guy (in general) who just spent a year staying alive by killing at the least provocation, and now he's getting provoked by everyone. That's a bit of stress. FWIW, Lee didn't kill women and children. He spent 4.5 years there, with three Christmases on mission deep, deep in country. With radio silence and a pre-scheduled lz and ep.

I don't think Palin is perfect. No one's perfect. But I do enjoy irony. I am inclined to vote for a woman because I think she can do the job, regardless of gender, and I am a sexist?

cakana

Apparently, he coauthored legislation that would have created stricter controls over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It didn't pass, and perhaps it wouldn't have helped the current situation, but I like the idea that he was able to see the problems and look for a way to prevent messes like the one we're in.

Yet another major distortion by the McCain camp.  Read what the folks at Politifact have to say -- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/sep/17/mccains-warning-fannie-and-freddie/

I'm checking on the contributions thing.  Hopefully Politifcat or Factcheck will get something up soon.  From what I'm initially learning, I predict yet another distortion.  Surprise, surprise. 

Agreeing with Joyce yet again.  How the heck can someone who doesn't even know how darned many homes he owns know what the middle class American (and I don't mean the ones who "make less than 5 million a year) faces day in and day out???  I am not better off than I was 8 years ago, job issues aside, and I do not know anyone who IS better off than they were 8 years ago.

For the record, I have not EVER called you a sexist, Ron.  Nor am I asking you, or anyone else to pull MI back to its feet.  It is NOT just MI that is suffering, but MI is a darned good example of the absolute horror of our economy. 

This is a good example of separating truth from political opinion. The article you linked is froma site operated by staff from a news agency from, I guess, Florida. Anyway, the piece is decidely slanted against McCain and stops just short of calling him an out and out liar. That article is opinion.

But, if you actually read the congressional record, you would see, in fact, that McCain is on record as wanting more stringent controls and oversight in GSE's, such as Fannie Mae, and that he was voted down and that Sen. Obama did nothing about it. That's a matter of congressional record. Like transcripts of the day's events. As in, who authored the legislation or memorandum. who voted on what, which way did he/she vote, or if he/she voted at all.

McCain is within his right to say, "I told you so." Especially in this climate where many would question his fiscal responsibility or attention to the nation's problems, he has the right to answer those charges. He was already working on it before this problem happened, trying to avoid this certain problem and now he's going catch crap for stating that he was working on this problem beforehand from a site who's very name is a misnomer.

Just because the site calls itself politifact does not mean that it is. In fact, I don't think they've had time, since the story was released, to actually go back a year or so and check the congressional record, which would be like doing research. It would seem this article of "facts" in almost instantaneous response to McCain's words, making it a political reaction to what he said, rather than actual cold, hard facts to presented as news that anyone can interpret as they see fit. The article is designed to paint McCain in a bad light.

Methinks you need to spend a little more time clicking around on Politifact.  You'll quickly see that they don't play favorites.

They have, quite often, gone so far as to label things "pants on fire" lies.  For both sides.

Myra

They have, quite often, gone so far as to label things "pants on fire" lies.  For both sides

Yay for them. But that doesn't make their article "fact" or even researched.