Sarah Palin ~ Unbelievable!

On a personal note, I'd like to say that I'm really disappointed in the choice for the first FEMALE running mate.  I did enough bra burning (and lets face it, MY generation is the one that even made this possible) that I'd LOVE to support a woman for this position.

But, sadly, not THIS woman.

glenmar

lets face it, MY generation is the one that even made this possible

Thank you!

glenmar

But, sadly, not THIS woman.

I sure have said that a lot lately 

I'm still trying to figure out why HC was so the target of the media and SP is the diva - I we sure it isn't about looks?

On a personal note, I'd like to say that I'm really disappointed in the choice for the first FEMALE running mate.

geraldine ferraro?

cyclefiend2000

 

On a personal note, I'd like to say that I'm really disappointed in the choice for the first FEMALE running mate.

geraldine ferraro?

Geraldine Ferraro was far from the first female VP candidate.

 http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Candidates_Vice1880.htm

 closer to the first than the current vp candidate.

 edit: i guess that begs the question... how did the baby boom generation elevate a woman to the vp candidacy in 1884? that is quite a retroactive feat. 

glenmar

On a personal note, I'd like to say that I'm really disappointed in the choice for the first FEMALE running mate.  I did enough bra burning (and lets face it, MY generation is the one that even made this possible) that I'd LOVE to support a woman for this position.

But, sadly, not THIS woman.

Sadly, I have to agree. I'm not thrilled with either side and this is going to be the most difficult vote to make for me, but I just haven't seen anything that gives me confidence that she could run the country. There's also something about her that just doesn't seem sincere. Is it possible to smile too much? I can't really put my finger on what specifically concerns me, but my gut tells me it would be a bad pick.

I found out yesterday that a savings bond I had thru Lehman Bros is probably worth absolutely nothing.  I sure hope that whatever happens in the elections leads to a thread a year from now where we're all saying how much better things are.

kpwlee

I never said that everyone should have to read the same material just that they should have to read THE facts.  And yes facts can be spun out in an article BUT one can't change the facts. If they are well and truly facts right?

Then we should read congressional records, not polished hyperbole in "newspapers." I mentioned it in the Obama thread (I think) that I know more about the SR-71 Blackbird than is given in the press. Most of the missions my friend, Lee, did while based in Da Nang, Viet Nam did not actually take place in Da Nang. In fact, those missions are still classified as to type and location.

Author Heinlein and his wife have been around the world a number of times. At 8 specific events in history, they were there as were reporters from Time Magazine. The Time Magazine "version" never agreed with what they saw. Not once.

I can't explain it any clearer but you can't believe everything you read and just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. So, if you want to know what Palin did, read the records of the Alaska Legislature. Evidently, reports in the papers and news sites that she did back out of the Bridge to Nowhere deal because of outcry against it can't believed even though it was "reported." The "reports" of how she made the oil companies tow the line can't be believed, right? She has said that she only hunted caribou to put food on the table but that is not to be believed, even though it was "reported". So, is it only a true article if it craps on Palin? I'm sorry but I don't think anyone candidate is without redeeming value, even Obama, and I have been adult enough to aknowledge some of those strengths, even to accept his birth certificate, his christianity (as opposed to muslim leanings), and that he has no ties to terrorism, that his name is based on family heritage.

But the crapfest on Palin simply will not stop.

I could make a bet that some people here can not say one good thing about Palin. And I would win the bet.

So keep on crapping on her. She has won in a man's world on some very tough issues and policies. She only has to go back to the house and let the slung crap freeze and break off.

ron2

 

But the crapfest on Palin simply will not stop.

I could make a bet that some people here can not say one good thing about Palin. And I would win the bet.

Probably true on both counts .... but if you want to start a "pro Sarah" thread, I promise to stay totally out of it.

Joyce

As a matter of fact, Ron, when someone called her an ugly biotch, I did point out that she is an attractive woman.   As far as I recall, that should qualify as nice.

 Ron I am a voracious reader - very diversified sources and it may seem crazy but I believe those sources and timelines more than I believe you. I have read articles that are singing her praises and note what they highlight or omit and also read many articles that are digging into her past with a definite negative slant and noted what they highlight and omit. And I am smart enough and educated enough to figure out what can and cannot be believed.  I don't expect you to understand that or accept it but hey that's just fine.  Supposedly we live in a society with freedoms - we may be losing some but that's appears to be just what the doctor ordered for some.

Just as "W" doesn't and never has stood for MY beliefs she doesn't.  Simple as that.  She is far too conservative, too extreme in her religion and too eager to impose it on me, and I personally don't think she has what it takes to be a VP and doG help us stand in President.  I don't like that she has used her 'power' to get jobs for friends and also to fire people.  She has abused funds to suit herself that stuff is on record.  That is small town politics in a nutshell.  If you read the article and looked further into the allegations you may find that it is the truth.

ron2

She has won in a man's world on some very tough issues and policies.

I am glad though that you have been able to work past Obama's middle name and the internet rumors about his Islamic leanings.  And you have even accepted his birth certificate. 

I accept her middle name and birth certificate and that she isn't muslim. 

She's very attractive and good at telling people what they want to hear in order to get votes.  She is a good speaker.

kpwlee

 Ron I am a voracious reader - very diversified sources and it may seem crazy but I believe those sources and timelines more than I believe you.

And thank you for being honest. I actually expected you would say something like that. I thought about it and realized that some of the things I have knowledge of that I don't fully divulge might be a bit unbelievable to some. It's just the unique life I've had and the opportunity to know these things. Things that would prove my point that what you read in media isn't always the truth. But I'll just have to leave it at that.

kpwlee

and I personally don't think she has what it takes to be a VP and doG help us stand in President

And that is honest. Let's pretend allegations against her were true. It would not make her a bad president, per se. Just as Clinton, despite various allegations, turned out to be a halfway decent president.

kpwlee

looked further into the allegations you may find that it is the truth.

To put a fine point on it, allegations are not truth. Facts in evidence are truth.

kpwlee

I am glad though that you have been able to work past Obama's middle name and the internet rumors about his Islamic leanings.  And you have even accepted his birth certificate. 

I accept her middle name and birth certificate and that she isn't muslim. 

She's very attractive and good at telling people what they want to hear in order to get votes.  She is a good speaker.

Cute.

And a mere debate tactic, more aimed at me than answering the challenge. But fine, let's make it McDonald's, anything on the kid's menu, knock yourself out. (I've used that one my friends, as a joke on my own frugalness. Truth be known, dinner would often be at Chili's or a place like that.)

I have a feeling that we could look at the same facts and see something different. Unless you could "force" me to interpret the facts your way. That could be interesting.

In the interest of fairness, I could try to look at what Obama has done and determine how responsive he was to the people, or not, but he hasn't really done anything of note. I don't live in Alaska and I know more about what Palin has done, despite any positive or negative spin on it, because it's so easily reported creating, aside from slants of reporting, a public record of sorts, that is more interesting to read than the congressional records. What bothers some, though not me, is that there is not much to know about the guy except for what he tells you. It doesn't so much bother me because, in this country, anyone can be president. Public service is not a requirement, be it military, civil, or elected.

I could run for president. But plenty of people would say "Yeah, but being in charge of the electrical part of a project is not the same as running a country." Just as some might say that running Alaska is not the same as running the country. Both pluses and minuses to that logic. Management is quite similar, regardless of what type of thing is being managed. But changes do occur depending on the size of the job. What seemed important at a state level might have to take a second seat to something else at a national or international level.

But I don't expect any of this to sway you. Your mind is made up, period, paragraph, new book.

But again, kudos for being honest and even a bit cheeky. Well done.

ron2

I could make a bet that some people here can not say one good thing about Palin. And I would win the bet.

And even if they can't, it would prove what, exactly?  I'm sure there are people who can't say one good thing about Obama.  Or McCain.  Or Biden.  So what?  Like it or not, and frustrating as it may be, people are entitled to their opinions and beliefs.

About the only thing I agree with Palin on is teaching creationism in school (is agreeing with her on something the same as saying something good about her?).  And it's not because I'm Christian.  I just have this crazy idea that knowledge is empowering, and that it's a good thing for kids (and adults) to know all sides of any issue.  If I'm strong in my Christian beliefs, then the theory of evolution isn't threatening to me at all.  The same should be true of an atheist, agnostic or whatever.  If you're solid in your beliefs, then you shouldn't be threatened by having your kids exposed to differing ideas.  And if you don't believe in creationism, I fail to see how it could be any more offensive than something like Greek mythology or other beliefs that ancient peoples had.  Many of which are commonly taught, or at least touched on, in school.

So there.  It took me all night, but I did come up with something I agree with her about.

ron2

Your mind is made up, period, paragraph, new book

You want us to think that your friend that states he will crossover vote is more influential than the ones we know.  Is anyone supposed to have felt relief that you 'accept' Obama's middle name etc.?

ron2

I thought about it and realized that some of the things I have knowledge of that I don't fully divulge might be a bit unbelievable to some. It's just the unique life I've had and the opportunity to know these things. Things that would prove my point that what you read in media isn't always the truth. But I'll just have to leave it at that.

Ron I am not a child.  I KNOW that all you read in the media isn't 100% accurate - geesh.  That is why I read MANY sources. LOL I lived overseas for 7 yrs and read both US sources and UK sources which rarely 'matched'. Finding the truth is something I 'get'.

I think what inspires me to respond to you is this incredulous feeling that you want me and others to see you as omniscient.  We are all these silly women that don't 'get it'.  The reality: We see things with our own perspective created by OUR experiences, values, knowledge and ability to think and decide.  OUR experiences are just as valuable as yours.  And OURS bring us to different conclusions than yours.

Supposedly that is what makes this country great is the ability to be individuals - when I vote I will be supporting that theory.

kpwlee

I think what inspires me to respond to you is this incredulous feeling that you want me and others to see you as omniscient.  We are all these silly women that don't 'get it'.  The reality: We see things with our own perspective created by OUR experiences, values, knowledge and ability to think and decide.  OUR experiences are just as valuable as yours.  And OURS bring us to different conclusions than yours.

THANK you!  This is exactly how I've been feeling in this thread....like us silly little women can't posibly comprehend what the big brave men do.  That is so much the tone I've been picking up.

Well, I'm just a silly little woman, too, but I am not ashamed to be a silly little conservative woman.   And I am proud that another silly little woman just might be the next VP of this country.  Even though I would not have voted for Hillary Clinton, had she gotten the nomination and had she become the next president, I'd still feel proud that finally a woman was able to prove what all us gals have known all our lives....that we're just as good as the guys.

I'm glad that we all have different opinions, otherwise this sure would be a boring world to live in!  And I am thankful that we live in a country where us silly little women can express those opinions freely.  But I can't help but feel a little denegrated that so many other women who have posted on this thread are acting as if a conservative woman is just the most horrible concept that they could imagine.  I know no one has intended it, but as a conservative woman, I do feel a little personally insulted.  Well, that's just how I have been feeling in this thread.