rwbeagles-an article about women and the pill

I do think medical workers should have the right to not participate in an abortion procedure, I know I could never be part of that. But as far as pharmacists not filling prescriptions and receptions not taking appointments, I think that is ridiculous. While I am not necessarily in favor of abortion ( I don't think two wrongs make a right and it shouldn't be used as an easy fix for irresponsible behavior), I don't feel birth control pills and the morning after pill are necessarily abortion. As a pharmacist, you are filling prescriptions that a Dr wrote, if we gave them the right to opt out, they could also deny antibiotics or blood pressure medicine, it's not their judgement call. As for receptionists, if you can't handle what your doctor does, don't work there. As far as insurance not covering BCPs, if whoever is buying hte insurance plans wants that coverage, they should get it and honestly, they should also cut coverage for Viagra. Total double standard right there. I don't really think the regulation will get anywhere anyway.

jenn52

As far as insurance not covering BCPs, if whoever is buying hte insurance plans wants that coverage, they should get it and honestly, they should also cut coverage for Viagra. Total double standard right there.

Agreed. I always wondered about that myself.

jenn52

I don't really think the regulation will get anywhere anyway.

one would definitely hope not...but really...nothing shocks me anymore these days, law wise.

Give some thought to the Supreme Court, who is on it, who appointed them, etc. ... if we're not very careful the next four years could be worse than the last eight. Electing a conservative Republican president again could spell the death of a lot of freedoms we're taking for granted right now and the last thing we need is another one on the SC.  And really, I don't think women use abortion as an easy fix.  I think it must be one of the most heart wrenching decisions to have to make and definitely not one that's made lightly.

Joyce

 I'm reading this right now and just took a momentary break to write this...

It is giving me chills. How scary.

jenn52

While I am not necessarily in favor of abortion ( I don't think two wrongs make a right and it shouldn't be used as an easy fix for irresponsible behavior),

 

It's not "irresponsible behaviour".  It's EASY to forget to take a pill, or to overlook the fact that a stomach upset or some medication may interfere with its workings.  Even if you take it properly, it's not 100% effective.  It's EASY for a condom to split.  Unfortunately, it's not difficult to be raped either.  I think the VAST majority of women who have abortions are not irresponsible individuals.

Over here, more women opt to have the abortion than actually go through with the pregnancy.   Even so, abortion is not a quick fix.  Once you become pregnant, there IS no quick fix.  Whatever you decide, the decision will affect you for the rest of your life.

wow.... how scary for you guys. this is pretty insane....

as for abortion, i just wanted to say that i know quite a few people who really do see abortion as an easy fix and are using it this option after irresponsible behaviour on their part. this does happen more than you would think! and i HATE the thought of it. i do think abortion needs to be an option, but i know many people who wouldn't even think twice about it, and i think that's very wrong. in my mind, i do believe you are terminating a life! i do not judge people who chose to abort in general, but i just find it very sad, that the reality of it has so easily been forgotten!

anyhow, living in china, i dont think i will ever have a problem getting my hands on the pill. it is sold over the counter here! as long as they have the one-child-policy, there wont be an issue for me, and i am very thankful for that!

That is wrong in so many ways.  Very scary.

If the regulation is enacted, insurers, hospitals, HMOs and other institutions could claim that a law requiring them to dispense contraception or subsidize an IUD discriminated against their religious convictions.

This, in particular, I think is extremely dangerous.  Where would refusing a particular treatment because it violated the medical personnel's religious convictions stop?  Could we have doctors and nurses refusing to perform life-saving treatment like blood transfusions, etc?

Myra

That is wrong in so many ways.  Very scary.

If the regulation is enacted, insurers, hospitals, HMOs and other institutions could claim that a law requiring them to dispense contraception or subsidize an IUD discriminated against their religious convictions.

This, in particular, I think is extremely dangerous.  Where would refusing a particular treatment because it violated the medical personnel's religious convictions stop?  Could we have doctors and nurses refusing to perform life-saving treatment like blood transfusions, etc?

 

I think so yes.  I also think that THAT part ^ ^ ^ was the most frightening of all 

Chuffy

Myra

That is wrong in so many ways.  Very scary.

If the regulation is enacted, insurers, hospitals, HMOs and other institutions could claim that a law requiring them to dispense contraception or subsidize an IUD discriminated against their religious convictions.

This, in particular, I think is extremely dangerous.  Where would refusing a particular treatment because it violated the medical personnel's religious convictions stop?  Could we have doctors and nurses refusing to perform life-saving treatment like blood transfusions, etc?

 

I think so yes.  I also think that THAT part ^ ^ ^ was the most frightening of all 

Agreed. Now, *generalizing here!!* I don't agree with the fact that people smoke, leading to high blood pressure. Therefor, I won't fill scripts for blood pressure medication.

And what about women who use BC as something other than birth control? I know girls who take the pill to help regulate their cycle, not just for the sole purpose of not getting pregnant. Is *that* wrong?

That is a very very scary article.

I remember this:

http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/wal_mart_finally_adds_birth_control_to_insurance/

I do not think medical professionals should have the right to refuse to help, schedule or whatever. They went into the medical fields knowing exactly the kinds of things that would be required, to say "stop, this goes against my beliefs" after the fact, is just wrong and to me in violation of what they took an oath to do.

 

 

 

Chuffy

It's not "irresponsible behaviour".  It's EASY to forget to take a pill, or to overlook the fact that a stomach upset or some medication may interfere with its workings.  Even if you take it properly, it's not 100% effective.  It's EASY for a condom to split.  Unfortunately, it's not difficult to be raped either.  I think the VAST majority of women who have abortions are not irresponsible individuals.

 

It's not irresponsible behavior by women who try to avoid pregnancy, as we all know accidents can happen, and I, for one ,am against taking the option away. I have heard of women who are being irresponsible having multiple abortions, I know of such a person, and that makes my skin crawl.

As a woman, I feel any ammendments or changes to options for avoiding pregnancy is a shame.

Truley

That is a very very scary article.

I remember this:

http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/wal_mart_finally_adds_birth_control_to_insurance/

I do not think medical professionals should have the right to refuse to help, schedule or whatever. They went into the medical fields knowing exactly the kinds of things that would be required, to say "stop, this goes against my beliefs" after the fact, is just wrong and to me in violation of what they took an oath to do.

 

I feel the same way.

You know what? In an ideal world, I would be a neuroscientist. I find that field of study to be the most interesting, and potentially even most worthwhile, option for me to pursue. But I'm never going to do it because a major part of current neuroscience research is working with lab animals, and I personally do not feel comfortable doing that. It's against my personal feelings to treat an animal in that way - even if I recognize its value to scientific study, I personally do not want to be taking part in it.

If you become a pharmacist, you know that you are going to be asked to fill prescriptions of all types. If you don't feel comfortable doing so, find a different job.

Thanks for sharing the article, Gina... definitely creepy, and definitely worthy of being brought to public attention. 

That is a scary article... I had to stop half way through and try and understand what they were saying..

I'm not for or against abortion. But I like the fact it is an option. I get the Depo shot every three months, I used to be on the pill but I kept forgetting to take it. Pregnancy is not an option for me at this moment in my life. If I were to get pregnant now, abortion would cross my mind but I highly doubt I'd go through with it.

I agree with the previous statements that  doctors know what they're getting in to and they had the choice to leave the profession if it went against their beliefs. It's scary to think that if a doctor can refuse to give birthcontrol then they can refuse to give live saving treatment. 

I never thought the day would come when birthcontrol would be hard to get a hold of.. Maybe I'll move to china. Lol. 

snownose

Chuffy

It's not "irresponsible behaviour".  It's EASY to forget to take a pill, or to overlook the fact that a stomach upset or some medication may interfere with its workings.  Even if you take it properly, it's not 100% effective.  It's EASY for a condom to split.  Unfortunately, it's not difficult to be raped either.  I think the VAST majority of women who have abortions are not irresponsible individuals.

 

It's not irresponsible behavior by women who try to avoid pregnancy, as we all know accidents can happen, and I, for one ,am against taking the option away.

 

I honestly think MOST women try to avoid pregnancy, but if you are in a relationship and have a high sex drive, avoiding pregnancy has to be foremost in your thoughts for much of the time, especially if you have something like a pill.  Heck, MY pregnancy wasn't planned, but I'm not irresponsible.

snownose

I have heard of women who are being irresponsible having multiple abortions, I know of such a person, and that makes my skin crawl.

 

That does make my skin too.  I don't deny that there are people like that, but I agree with you that the option should still stand.  But if abortion were not an option that would not make them responsible in my opinion.... they would just keep having kids that they couldn't look after and then those kids would suffer.  Not fair.

Over here you HAVE to have counselling if you go to an abortion clinic.  I went to one because it was the fastest way to get a scan, and at one point I was thinking that how far long I was might have an impact on my decision.  But because it was unplanned I had no idea when I may have conceived.  Even though by the time I got the appt. I was already leaning towards having the baby I was still obligated to see a counsellor there and I think that is a good thing.  I think it is likely to help impress on many women the gravity of the situation... that it is not a decision to be taken lightly.