petsmart encounter (long sorry)

ORIGINAL: jjsmom06
I feel like you are always contrary to things I have to say and I must admit that it is quite tiresome and I wonder why I even bother to respond to you. I guess because it is frustrating to have my intentions misunderstood.

 
How come the people in their 30's feel the need to scold me.  At my age I should get a certain kind of post license (poetic license) that I should be able to get away with things.  In China I would be revered by the youth.  []
 
I get scolded, I think the person is mad at me.  Very logical conclusion.
 
I asked if the couple ever uses the word sacrifice because I wanted to know if that was your word based on your observation of how hard the couple works at rescuing.  With rescuing, positive is important, even the use of words.  Sacrifice to me means you are giving up something that you strongly desire.  You sacrifice a vacation to work in the shelter.  That statement says the vacation is positive and the work in the shelter is negative.  You substitute a vacation to work in the shelter.  That statement is positive - positive, equating the fun of a vacation to work in the shelter.  It makes a big difference in changing attitudes and helping the dog. 
 
Now maybe you can understand why I saw loosing independence and making sacrifice in the negative light.

Dyan, I was hoping that someone who runs a shelter facility or works in one would start the dialogue.  They would be more familiar with the shelter's operations.

Regarding your questions on whether it would be better for the puppy to go to a PS customer versus a shelter.  It would be better for the dog to go to the PS customer.  The dog is no danger being with the lady that breed the puppy.  The dog is no danger being with the PS customer.  The puppy is at risk going to a shelter.  Public shelters have to take dogs.  Private shelters usually don't accept owner surrendered dogs and pull their dogs from municipal shelters and public shelters.

Thank you for answering!  Honestly,,I was beginning to feel that I was invisible!
The reason I asked was because while I am not in favor of doing what the lady at PS did...I don't see the horror in it. I want the puppy to have a home.

Thank you for answering! Honestly,,I was beginning to feel that I was invisible!

I saw you Dyan.. I just didn't have a good answer!!

Invisible?  With Bubblegum in the corner.  Never! 
 
Also, all rescues are human societies or that is what they call themselves.

In China I would be revered by the youth. 

True, but you would also be eating melamine and hiding your dogs. Age shouldn't make one immune to questioning IMO.

That statement is positive - positive, equating the fun of a vacation to work in the shelter. It makes a big difference in changing attitudes and helping the dog.

It seems like once again there is a difference of opinion over a definition. I am not going to get into a semantics discussion here but I have to tell you that you are preaching to the choir over this discussion David. I certainly do not see rescue in any sort of negative light… it is a PERSONAL choice you make, and I can absolutely guarantee with 100% confidence that the couple I am referring to don#%92t see their “sacrifice” as a negative one.  They have been doing this for plenty of years and doing a damn good job. A discussion they choose to have with me when they invite me into their home for a quick meal and to to chat at the end of my kennel shift is a very different discussion than they would EVER have with the general public. You want to talk about changing attitudes.. you should meet these incredibly positive and giving people.. so REALLY you are preaching to the choir on this issue David.

Now maybe you can understand why I saw loosing independence and making sacrifice in the negative light

I could possibly understand how an outsider NOT reading any of my posts on this thread might see “sacrifice” and “loss of independence” in a negative light, but I still am at a loss as to how you could have read everything I posted and believed that was my meaning was negative. I am sure though that it was not your intention to misconstrue my meaning and words here.. there would be no reason to do so,  so I will have to just assume that I somehow wasn#%92t clear with my meaning and leave it at that.[]

  So as to be perfectly clear in my meaning for anyone involved in rescue… YOU ROCK!![sm=headbang2.gif]

ORIGINAL: dyan

Thank you for answering!  Honestly,,I was beginning to feel that I was invisible!

 
I honestly thought it was a rhetorical question!!! I really did.[]
 
And with regard to "sacrifice" being "negative", I think there are some religious folks who might disagree with that........

ORIGINAL: badrap

And with regard to "sacrifice" being "negative", I think there are some religious folks who might disagree with that........

 
Sacrifice in the context of JC is suffering.  Sacrifice in the context of Lent is deprivation especially if the give up is chocalate.  Sacrifice in the context of dog rescue is negative.

my definition of sacrifice might be more um.. spiritual than how others translate it..
to me a sacrifice is something you do out of willingness. it never should be something to be resented, and someone using it in a negative connotation doesnt know the real meaning of the word, and according to webster that meaning is : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else.
forfeit would be more appropriate.... the act of losing or surrendered as a penalty. if you're upset that you gave up a vacation in order to help needy animals, you didnt sacrifice it, you forfeited it unwillingly, otherwise you wouldnt be upset about it, would you?
i think in the case of this woman with the puppy, she sacrificed her time and energy to find what she thinks might be a good home for it. remember.. quid pro quo.. something for something. obviously she felt just a little, maybe a lot, responsible for the ten little lives she allowed to come forth into this world of ours so she is trying the best way she knows how to make sure those lives are at LEAST happy for a little while.
the other alternative i forgot to mention, that maybe some dont know about, is a sort of shot, emergency contraceptive or what ever to for dogs. i havent heard much about it myself. i know my dad has had it done at least once when a neighbour's bulldog jumped over his fence and tried to impregnate his german shepherd. every time i'm at the vet i keep meaning to ask about it out of curiosity, like what it is, what side effects or long term damage it might cause... but it slips my mind. i dont want to recommend it to people with accidental breedings until i know more about myself.

as for folks being mad at one another...i'm just glad it isnt at me for a change [] just because someone scolds you doesnt mean they dislike you for good, or are necessarily mad at you.. it might be they are disagreeing with the facts you put forth. and it is ok to agree to disagree. we all stand on different ground built from our opinions. we oughta have respect for each other for that.

Sacrifice in the context of JC is suffering. Sacrifice in the context of Lent is deprivation especially if the give up is chocalate. Sacrifice in the context of dog rescue is negative.

hmmm.. is your middle name webster?? [8|]  I seriously am so surprised by some of the generalizations that you make sometimes David.   I am glad that you know more about so many topics than the rest of us. 

I think perhaps maybe this whole discussion over "losing independence" and sacrifice" has gone on long enough and is taking up way too much time on this thread. It was a simple comment i made 1 1/2 pages ago.   I think we need to get [sm=backtotopic.gif]   and if folks want to have a discussion over semantics then they should start a new thread.

ORIGINAL: DPU

Sacrifice in the context of JC is suffering.  Sacrifice in the context of Lent is deprivation especially if the give up is chocalate.  Sacrifice in the context of dog rescue is negative.

 
It is also the greatest gift, for someone else to suffer for you.  So I'm not sure that I think it's necessarily all that negative.  At least not to me.  But I see what you're saying, and you are certainly entitled to your own semantic preferences.

Jjsmon06, as a courtesy to you I want to let you know that while you were writing your judgmental post, Dumdog did a post prior to yours that you might have missed.  Like my post, it is on topic.  Just trying to be helpful.

Jjsmon06, as a courtesy to you I want to let you know that while you were writing your judgmental post, Dumdog did a post prior to yours that you might have missed. Like my post, it is on topic. Just trying to be helpful.

thanks david.. just like you are being on topic with your post just now? And judgemental huh.. well isn't that the pot ???  [8|]

and FYI- I saw dumdogs post after I posted mine and I pm'd her to thank her for such a rational and well stated post.

Now.. frankly I am completly finished with this thread and the continued banter with you david,  is as usual,  getting very old.  I must admit that you often bring out the worst in me. I WANT to like you because I feel that you do a lot of wonderful work and I agree with you on many an issue, and I love your dogs and enjoy hearing about them but you continually push people's buttons and I for one am completely done with allowing you to push mine any longer.

Sorry to Bradley and all of you on this thread for making this go so off topic this evening.

ORIGINAL: ottoluv

In China I would be revered by the youth. 

True, but you would also be eating melamine and hiding your dogs. Age shouldn't make one immune to questioning IMO.

 
Yes, but it should make the youth listen harder IMO.

if she walked around and found someone who fell in love with that dog... isn't it better than to drop it off at a rescue where there are so many more... doesn't it have a better chance at life if someone takes it?

the biggest problem (or at least one of the problems) with this is... it is almost like an impulse buy. maybe the person who takes the dog will keep her, love her, and treat her well her entire life. but maybe the person would be droppping the pup off at the shelter in a week or a month because they werent ready for raising a pup or because it grew up or whatever reason.

there is no way to know because the lady wasnt getting any background info on potential adopters.