The poor stay poor, the rich get rich.

 When people find themselves out of a job - often through no fault of their own - their primary objective is finding another job in order to keep a roof over their heads and feed their families.  These jobs frequently do not come with benefits, but someone out of work isn't in a position to not take a job when it comes along.

Joyce

Something I'd like to mention is that poor people usually live in a certain area - you know, the inner city/"ghettos" etc., and that type of culture and upbringing is what they're used to. Humans as a species don't like change, and in those districts people often don't have the access to the same type of education we do, or have as many opportunities. If you've got kids to care for, no car, you're forced to take a local job (or ride the bus, but same difference) and there aren't many high end jobs in those areas. I imagine that it's hard to save money to move up in economic class when all of what you get (which is probably very little) is spent on kids, bills, etc.

But moving up is definitely possible.

And pertaining to the kids in poverty issue & poor people getting pregnant, people could always have the baby and give it up for adoption instead of killing it.  

Guess what? Right now I have about $10 in my bank. I work 40 hours a week, and carry a full course load at university. Am I poor for a reason? Yeah. I'm trying to *improve* myself, so I don't stay in the same social class as my parent.

Honestly, you have to quit using this, 'oh poor me I didn't know any better, I'm sheltered' approach.

Then take the challenge, contact your local school.  Offer to be a lunch partner/mentor for a low performing kid.  That is great place to start. 

sl2crmeg

Ahem...and honestly I don't care. A rhetorical question for you, Pom (look it up if you don't know what it means) : Who *paid* for that abortion? Crap happens, and sometimes you just gotta pay the cards you're dealt. Not everyone has a daddy who makes as much money as yours.

*ahem* i am still currently paying for it lol Hate to break it to your jealousy but Daddy hasn't given me two cents since I was 19 years old... so you can take your speach else where

i work 40hrs a week and go to continuing education part time and can't afford to survive if i didn't have my bf

so guess what? i'm no rich person either BUD

IrishSetterGrl

Something I'd like to mention is that poor people usually live in a certain area - you know, the inner city/"ghettos" etc., and that type of culture and upbringing is what they're used to. Humans as a species don't like change, and in those districts people often don't have the access to the same type of education we do, or have as many opportunities. If you've got kids to care for, no car, you're forced to take a local job (or ride the bus, but same difference) and there aren't many high end jobs in those areas. I imagine that it's hard to save money to move up in economic class when all of what you get (which is probably very little) is spent on kids, bills, etc.

But moving up is definitely possible.

And pertaining to the kids in poverty issue & poor people getting pregnant, people could always have the baby and give it up for adoption instead of killing it.  

what she is saying is exactly what i am saying (minus being judged for the way i wrote it)

If you are dirt poor TYPICALLY you are born into it and are there for a reason due to lack of education and things like that (that is one way)

so i'll add onto my list now "mental disability" even though I know for a fact at least in this state we have amazing funding for that... The whole entire first floors of my complexes are Section A/8 ? w/e its called. There is this one guy Freddie who I bump into in the elevator (something is obviously wrong with him) everytime you step in the elevator he goes "hello mama i am always a good guy... i work hard i am always a good guy" do I feel for those people YES. I feel bad they don't have family to help which they rightfully should.

"disasters" okay well if you were well off enough to have children you need to think about all the possibilities that could go wrong. if something does go wrong you should be working ur lil butt off to fix it

the poor don't stay POOR... my "daddy" lived in the back seat of his car for TWO YEARS... try doing that. And look at where he is now. You may wonder why he's not sympathetic to poor people... well maybe b/c he WAS poor.

So how was I raised? I was told its a bunch of BULL to think poor people can't get out of their position

I will read the book. Maybe it will help me to pitty others in a new way... but I know there is no way myself as a person could ever possible be poor and stay poor... that's just impossible. right now i'm struggling to get out of medicat debt, credit card debt, all the stupid crap that could possibly happen. at the same time i took out more loans for school and a car... trust me my life aint no PEACHIE PIE. i can't even afford rent or savings or utilities... and guess what I get CRAP from Daddy the "rich guy"

so i know what its like to a certain degree but you can NOT say it's impossible to move on up

Sorry still missing the point.... even if you are born into poverty, there are a whole host of other problems and not enough services to go around.  It doesnt have to be a life sentence,  however, there do need to be options to help that journey.   Think back to the native american saying about not judging someone until you walked in their shoes.  There is a book and community workshop (I havent had the chance to attend yet, get grad school over first)  Bridges out of Poverty.  

This one? http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/results.asp?WRD=Bridges+out+of+Poverty&z=y

i'm going to look at that one too.

Maybe it will help me to pitty others in a new way...

most people arent really looking for pity, understanding and possibly a helping hand, but not pity. 

edit: pom.... i have started trying to get my personal finances in order too. i have been reading these two blogs regularly, and have gotten several good ideas from them....

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/

http://bloggingawaydebt.com/

THANKS cycle... i like those... :o)

Pomeranian

[quote user="IrishSetterGrl

Something I'd like to mention is that poor people usually live in a certain area - you know, the inner city/"ghettos" etc., and that type of culture and upbringing is what they're used to. Humans as a species don't like change, and in those districts people often don't have the access to the same type of education we do, or have as many opportunities. If you've got kids to care for, no car, you're forced to take a local job (or ride the bus, but same difference) and there aren't many high end jobs in those areas. I imagine that it's hard to save money to move up in economic class when all of what you get (which is probably very little) is spent on kids, bills, etc.

But moving up is definitely possible.

And pertaining to the kids in poverty issue & poor people getting pregnant, people could always have the baby and give it up for adoption instead of killing it.

Fortunately for her, she wrote it in a coherent way. You know, with capital letters and proper punctuation.

So how was I raised? I was told its a bunch of BULL to think poor people can't get out of their position

Hate to tell ya, you were told wrong. IMO.

Pomeranian <3

If you are poor... like dirt dirt poor. You were either born into poverty, didn't get an education, or are pure lazy.

If you are rich... like really really rich. You either interited it, got a great education, or are extremely motivated.

     I agree with this statement wholeheartedly, and just for the record, I was born into a family that is slightly above the poverty level. My mother's yearly median income was always 20,000 or under. Average paycheck - $350 per week. My income was always less than that because of lack of college education and some health problems ... and no, I have no health insurance, either. Let me tell you, though, our situation improved by leaps and bounds when we began embracing the mentality that one attracts wealth or poverty to oneself based upon their own actions. We learned it in the 4th grade, it's called "cause & effect". I know from firsthand experience it's easier to fall into depression and with that comes a certain laziness that does keep one in poverty. It's so easy to blame the economy, or our govenrment, when it's us who control our destiny. I know many families living at or below the poverty level, good people, but the fact is that they are lazy, uneducated and have no desire to become motivated or broaden the depth of their knowledge. 
     Once I turned my thinking around, and hence, my behavior, my situation improved, greatly. I now have goals, which I know with hard work & perseverence I WILL attain. One needen't be born rich in the USA to attract wealth. I am convinced this is the greatest country in the world despite my ongoing financial hardships, because it favors the small business owner and allows the indivigual to attain wealth in ways taht are not possible elsewhere in the world. I want no help from the government, I need to rely on myself and stop blaming my problems on outside forces I have no control over - the simple fact is that low income people do have control over their income. I've chosen to try and get a small business going, and come closer to this every day :) I may have been born into poverty, but had no intenstions of staying there. And believe me, it's taken grit, tenecity, blood, sweat, tears, and pure old fashioned hard work to get there. Some people don't want to be bothered in taking the steps required to make their situation better. It's so much easier to take the lazy way out.  

Pomeranian <3

i can't even afford rent or savings or utilities...

now i'm struggling to get out of medicat debt, credit card debt, all the stupid crap that could possibly happen

 

i mean come on lets all be realistic not heros for a second... if you are dirt poor why should you have a kid?

If you’re dirt poor why should you have a dog? Following your own logic, you are too poor to care for anything. So what prompted you to take on a dependent?

Pomeranian <3

this is where i'm even more "tough love"... there should be an income law for reproduction to stop it then. obviously educating isn't working...

 Yeah maybe one to prevent people in debt and poor financial situations for taking on pets (which are expensive, especially when the unexpected happens...) I guess there should be a law that if you make less than minimum wage you can't own a dog, huh? Income has nothing to do with parenting. I have seen parents who are dirt, dirt poor raise 10x better kids than "rich folk". Income has NOTHING to do with it.

Just like how people can become billionaires and start out dirt poor, people can raise wonderful kids from an initial tough parenting situation. "Poor" people are not having *more* kids. "Rich" people are having *fewer* kids, whether it be from loving the checkbook more than the family, or simply overworking themselves to the point where they forget what's really important.

HoundMusic

Pomeranian <3

If you are poor... like dirt dirt poor. You were either born into poverty, didn't get an education, or are pure lazy.

If you are rich... like really really rich. You either interited it, got a great education, or are extremely motivated.

     I agree with this statement wholeheartedly, and just for the record, I was born into a family that is slightly above the poverty level. My mother's yearly median income was always 20,000 or under. Average paycheck - $350 per week. My income was always less than that because of lack of college education and some health problems ... and no, I have no health insurance, either. Let me tell you, though, our situation improved by leaps and bounds when we began embracing the mentality that one attracts wealth or poverty to oneself based upon their own actions. We learned it in the 4th grade, it's called "cause & effect". I know from firsthand experience it's easier to fall into depression and with that comes a certain laziness that does keep one in poverty. It's so easy to blame the economy, or our govenrment, when it's us who control our destiny. I know many families living at or below the poverty level, good people, but the fact is that they are lazy, uneducated and have no desire to become motivated or broaden the depth of their knowledge. 
     Once I turned my thinking around, and hence, my behavior, my situation improved, greatly. I now have goals, which I know with hard work & perseverence I WILL attain. One needen't be born rich in the USA to attract wealth. I am convinced this is the greatest country in the world despite my ongoing financial hardships, because it favors the small business owner and allows the indivigual to attain wealth in ways taht are not possible elsewhere in the world. I want no help from the government, I need to rely on myself and stop blaming my problems on outside forces I have no control over - the simple fact is that low income people do have control over their income. I've chosen to try and get a small business going, and come closer to this every day :) I may have been born into poverty, but had no intenstions of staying there. And believe me, it's taken grit, tenecity, blood, sweat, tears, and pure old fashioned hard work to get there. Some people don't want to be bothered in taking the steps required to make their situation better. It's so much easier to take the lazy way out.  

THANK YOU! I have EXTREME respect for people like you and my father.