Republican/Conservative Corner

I really wish we could make a big stand and stay STOP! To the government... What do you get back from giving the government money? A road (with tons of pot-holes)? The privilage to live in your state? The privilage to live in your town? A school for children you don't have? I think the amount of money we give the government could deff be cheaper.

you can. each and every member of the government was elected by the people. part of what they are there for is to serve the people. if you dont like decisions your congressman/representative/etc is making let him/her know that. if you feel strongly about an issue, let them know that before they vote on it.

you said in a post somewhere that you want to have kids someday right? well someone has to provide for schools for your kids. likely many of those people will be childless. i would rather foot the bill for a kid to get educated than to support that person through the welfare system because he is too uneducated to get a job.

I officially decided I wish there was a Flat-Rate tax. If I make $xx,xxx a year I pay 1% (lets just say) to the government, if my Dad makes $xxx,xxx a year then he pays 1% to the government... HOW IS THAT NOT FAIR? Know why? Because then there would be no need for the IRS and all of them would be out of work... boo-hoo go get a different job! I know a flat-rate tax will never happen in our life time but know what? I can always hope... And I was thinking... if it does "screw over" the poor somehow, good maybe they will be more driven to become successful?

more likely a flat rate tax would screw over the rich people. but whatever.

being poor is not always about a lack of initiative. my parents have worked hard their whole lives (and still are). when i was a kid my dad did side work to make extra money. he went to night school to get his college degree so he could move up where he works. while i wouldnt necessarily classify us as being in poverty, my dad never had a 6 figure income (my parents income together was never 6 figures). my grandpa worked full-time (as did my grandmother), and they farmed in their off time so they could have enough to get by with. the majority of the people i knew growing up were not rich, really werent even middle class, but it wasnt from being lazy or not being driven. most of these people worked hard and many of them had more than one job. that may be hard to see from the boss man's house, but try living in the village a while.

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Its a pure fact that if you make a good living you're probably a Republican and if you are in the middle class you are probably a Democrat... let's be honest! If you are in the middle class and you happen to be a Republican then you could me like me and understand why a Democratic system isn't the best OR maybe strong conservative values make you at this point.

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Its a pure fact that if you make a good living you're probably a Republican and if you are in the middle class you are probably a Democrat... let's be honest! If you are in the middle class and you happen to be a Republican then you could me like me and understand why a Democratic system isn't the best OR maybe strong conservative values make you at this point.

 

 

 

 

I just think its wrong if we build a new school then the people in that town have to pay $1100 extra a month for the rest of their lives... why can't we just pay off the school then decrease it again...???? Wouldn't that make more sense? I'd support building the new school if it didn't cost me A THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE! That's is a LOT of money!

There are few like your family that do/did work hard to be where they are but never make the "six-figure" salary. I respect those people a lot and find it frustraiting they have to have two jobs to survive. But you have to admit most people are simply lazy. There was a guy down at a bar we went to awhile back talking about how he makes more money off of his welfare than working so why bother to get a job? That comment made me want to throw up. I wanted to punch his lights out and say give me back MY MONEY.

We also are paying for the girl that makes the same amount as I do (which in all actuality isn't a lot) then they have a kid... WHY do people have kids if they can't afford to have kids?! Then the more kids you have, the bigger welfare check you get. That's is SCREWED UP! If you can't afford to have a kid it should be come kind of law that you can't (okay yeah that may be a bit extreme) look at it this way... In order to adopt a child you need to have proof of income, yada, yada to make sure you can provide for the child. No one checks your proof of income when you get PREGNANT? Why.... how come it is not considered cruel to bring a child into the world of poverty? There is a young kid in our apartment complex (16yrs old) lives with his mother in a 500sqft studio apt with no TV, phone, internet... nothing. He has a floor to sleep on and food in his belly. What kind of life is that?! I buy him stuff all the time, we take him out to dinner, he's always over our apartment because he likes to rap so my BF records him with his recording studio (the kid is an amazing rapper and I'm trying to get him signed to a label). I feel so bad for people like this!! It's just ridiculous...

Those are the people we are paying for. We are paying for the people who make nothing, have families, end up in poverty and breed poverty. My father came from poverty in Boston and survived (so yes not all poverty breeds poverty) but ppl like my Dad are so RARE...

I know we can't start controlling people to have children because then that would defeat the purpose of the other freedoms that I speak for but gosh... it's just as dumb as me when I was in college trying to live a lifestyle I couldn't afford. All my computers and ipods and tvs... I don't deserve any of it! And people that don't make enough money don't deserve to have kids.

Please remember this is all my own opinion... if you disagree I love hearing things from other points of views but don't attack me (I'm just passionate when I talk/write so I might seem like I'm coming off aggressive but it's actually confusion/frustration)

I'll see that ...and raise you a

WHAT is a "good living"...isn't that all by itself a totally subjective, relative term? What makes a living good to me might be something totally different. This comment thus to me...makes very little sense.

jenny & jjsmom don't just haha tell me what you don't like about that... I like hearing other points of views. I notriously have met zero "wealthy" democrats... actually that's a lie I met ONE and he lived alone and just didn't care about the government in general anyway because he made enough money to live happy and die.

I have always found that people who are better off say "hey... why is the government taking half my money that's not fair!" = Republican.

And the middle class notorious say "it's not fair, those you make more money should pay more" = Democratic (you obviously aren't wealthy if you think the WEALTHY need to pay more to the government...)

When it comes to liberal conservative you are getting closer to "moral values" and all of those subjects. You are called liberal if you support gay marriage you are called conservative if you don't

With that clarified... what is it that you don't agree with?

BETTER OFF = you probably make more than $150,000 or you can live comfortably/wealthy (that's just how I'm using the term) You are right Gina that "better off" can mean different things for different people... but I was using it in this type of terms for now. (if that helps to clarify)

Therefore I guess a better word is the WEALTHY tend to be Republican

So to you a good living=wealthy (in either BIG type or quotes)....that helps us know where you are coming from. I certainly don't agree with that basic premise, so that would be why your words confuse me many times.

Yeah so if you hear me saying "better off" sometimes I might be actually meaning "wealthy" I'll just to just use the word wealthy from now on if that helps to clarify and make more sense... b/c I do agree better off could mean many different things.

With that being said, and with my previous clarification post... do people still disagree? I'd like to know. It's always good to hear other point of views.

I've always felt that like religion, politics is familial. Either you do what your parents do...or you do the OPPOSITE because of the way it impacted your life. Less to do with money...and more to do with upbringing...IMO. Neither mattered much in my family...neither were very important...so I now...don't hold either in any high regard or give either much space in my life.

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jenny & jjsmom don't just haha tell me what you don't like about that... I like hearing other points of views. I notriously have met zero "wealthy" democrats... actually that's a lie I met ONE and he lived alone and just didn't care about the government in general anyway because he made enough money to live happy and die.

I have always found that people who are better off say "hey... why is the government taking half my money that's not fair!" = Republican.

And the middle class notorious say "it's not fair, those you make more money should pay more" = Democratic (you obviously aren't wealthy if you think the WEALTHY need to pay more to the government...)

When it comes to liberal conservative you are getting closer to "moral values" and all of those subjects. You are called liberal if you support gay marriage you are called conservative if you don't

With that clarified... what is it that you don't agree with?

BETTER OFF = you probably make more than $150,000 or you can live comfortably/wealthy (that's just how I'm using the term) You are right Gina that "better off" can mean different things for different people... but I was using it in this type of terms for now. (if that helps to clarify)

Therefore I guess a better word is the WEALTHY tend to be Republican

I think Pom that my problem stems from the black and whiteness here in so many of your posts.  There are sweeping generalizations and just because you haven’t “met anyone” in your 20+ years on this earth who is a wealthy democrat doesn’t make it so.  Perhaps my family is different, but I wasn’t raised I a house that wasn’t republican or democrat necessarily,  so for me this isn’t all black and white.  I know some people, like Billy for example…lol, might see this as a fault, but I honestly I don’t.  I just don’t agree with either parties philosophies. And on some areas a  I am WAY liberal and on a few, I am more conservative. 

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I think Pom that my problem stems from the black and whiteness here in so many of your posts.  There are sweeping generalizations and just because you haven’t “met anyone” in your 20+ years on this earth who is a wealthy democrat doesn’t make it so.  Perhaps my family is different, but I wasn’t raised I a house that wasn’t republican or democrat necessarily,  so for me this isn’t all black and white.  I know some people, like Billy for example…lol, might see this as a fault, but I honestly I don’t.  I just don’t agree with either parties philosophies. And on some areas a  I am WAY liberal and on a few, I am more conservative. 

It's a very good point! And I'm glad you shared it. Which is why as the years go on more and more of my "political" thinking changes. I did grow up in a very black and white family all though we all know the world is not like this. But when it comes to "parties" if you are a declared party it is very black and white. If you are like you said, not really any self proclaimed party, yeah this all seems very aggressive.

I know I personally no longer feel 100% conservative. I would say I'm an extreme fiscal Republican and Liberal Morals... if that makes sense? haha. I'm not religious (which seems to notorious be Repubicans) and I believe in moral issues like pro life (which also isn't the so-called Republican)

So you do make a good point that now a days it's not all black and white. It deff used to be but since it's not now hopefully the system can bend and change more... maybe even create a different "grey area" party!

I just think its wrong if we build a new school then the people in that town have to pay $1100 extra a month for the rest of their lives... why can't we just pay off the school then decrease it again...????

because there will always be a need for a new school or repairs have to be made to the existing school or additions have to be made.... 

But you have to admit most people are simply lazy.

i dont subscribe to this opinion. 

WHY do people have kids if they can't afford to have kids?! Then the more kids you have, the bigger welfare check you get. That's is SCREWED UP!

to be honest i dont know how people get on welfare. my daughter-in-law got pregnant. they were barely making enough to pay their rent. she couldnt get on welfare for having a kid. she could get on WIC. all WIC would provide is vouchers to buy some things at the grocery store. milk, bread, juice, canned vegetables... things like that, and prenatal care. after the baby was born, WIC only provided vouchers for things for the baby... formula, baby food, etc. (but not diapers or clothes), and well baby check ups. her social worker told her that people didnt automatically qualify for welfare just because they have a kid now. 

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I think Pom that my problem stems from the black and whiteness here in so many of your posts.  There are sweeping generalizations and just because you haven’t “met anyone” in your 20+ years on this earth who is a wealthy democrat doesn’t make it so.  Perhaps my family is different, but I wasn’t raised I a house that wasn’t republican or democrat necessarily,  so for me this isn’t all black and white.  I know some people, like Billy for example…lol, might see this as a fault, but I honestly I don’t.  I just don’t agree with either parties philosophies. And on some areas a  I am WAY liberal and on a few, I am more conservative. 

It's a very good point! And I'm glad you shared it. Which is why as the years go on more and more of my "political" thinking changes. I did grow up in a very black and white family all though we all know the world is not like this. But when it comes to "parties" if you are a declared party it is very black and white. If you are like you said, not really any self proclaimed party, yeah this all seems very aggressive.

I know I personally no longer feel 100% conservative. I would say I'm an extreme fiscal Republican and Liberal Morals... if that makes sense? haha. I'm not religious (which seems to notorious be Repubicans) and I believe in moral issues like pro life (which also isn't the so-called Republican)

So you do make a good point that now a days it's not all black and white. It deff used to be but since it's not now hopefully the system can bend and change more... maybe even create a different "grey area" party!

I would love to have a stronger Libertarian party.. I really think we need a 3 party system… and I hope this might be the wave of the future.  WOOO YOOO!!

You views do make since and I fully understand when you say you are fiscally conservative and not morally so... and I actually appreciate you saying that because I have been scratching my head about you thinking to myself “she is absolutely NOT a conservative in all areas”…lol

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to be honest i dont know how people get on welfare. my daughter-in-law got pregnant. they were barely making enough to pay their rent. she couldnt get on welfare for having a kid. she could get on WIC. all WIC would provide is vouchers to buy some things at the grocery store. milk, bread, juice, canned vegetables... things like that, and prenatal care. after the baby was born, WIC only provided vouchers for things for the baby... formula, baby food, etc. (but not diapers or clothes), and well baby check ups. her social worker told her that people didnt automatically qualify for welfare just because they have a kid now. 

I'm deff no expert on "how" but I do know of many people on it.

Typically I know you can not be employed and have some type of probably cause as to why. If this person still ends up having children they are given even more money. Situations this extreme I find to be very unfair. You should not have children if you are on welfare & can't afford it.

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i would rather foot the bill for a kid to get educated than to support that person through the welfare system because he is too uneducated to get a job.

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