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ORIGINAL: brandy76

I just visited a breeder of cockapoos and I have some questions.  I was able to meet the dam which was a poodle, the sire is the cocker (not on premises).  She said they're akc registered, but since she's not breeding them together she doesn't have the paperwork.  Is this normal? 

I asked her about CERF & OFA and she said they've been checked for everything.  Does the breeder normally supply this paperwork when purchasing?

She showed me the pups which were 2wks old and she said even though they weren't vaccincated yet they can still be touched by humans, since they get their immunities from the mothers milk.  However the other breeder I visited said 2wk old pups can't be touched by humans since they're not vaccinated yet.  Who's right?

Color: I wanted a buff colored one & she showed me one that was very brown, but the lightest brown of the bunch.  She said the pup will get lighter.  I thought it was the opposite?

I'm also visiting shelters for my search, but want to keep all options open & if I do choose to purchase one I want to make sure I'm getting one from the right person - Thanks

 
She sounds like she's spouting off a bunch of bs as far as the documentation goes.  She should be able to show you the akc paperwork (and be able to understand how to read a pedigree) and she should have documentation for the cerf and ofa testing.

OFA issues a document...so does cerf. Copies should be proudly displayed [] "Checked" is universal code for "I have no idea what you're talking about, but my dog can walk and see right now so what the heck else do you need?"....lol.
 
AKC does not register mix breed pups...those puppies are not registerable with AKC as a result. If she is advertising or representing them (the pups) to "be" AKC registered or registerable she is commiting fraud. If she just means both sire and dam are AKC reg that may be true...but I'd still want to see the proof []
 
No one I do not know well..even breathes on my puppies until they are 6 weeks old...then individual families can come view them and they are to bleach their shoes and wipes with a Clorox wipe before and after.
 
How was her home and set up? Just the one dog? What did you think of the dam? When is she letting the pups go to new homes?

ORIGINAL: rwbeagles

OFA issues a document...so does cerf. Copies should be proudly displayed [] "Checked" is universal code for "I have no idea what you're talking about, but my dog can walk and see right now so what the heck else do you need?"....lol.
 
AKC does not register mix breed pups...those puppies are not registerable with AKC as a result. If she is advertising or representing them (the pups) to "be" AKC registered or registerable she is commiting fraud. If she just means both sire and dam are AKC reg that may be true...but I'd still want to see the proof []
 
No one I do not know well..even breathes on my puppies until they are 6 weeks old...then individual families can come view them and they are to bleach their shoes and wipes with a Clorox wipe before and after.
 
How was her home and set up? Just the one dog? What did you think of the dam? When is she letting the pups go to new homes?

She meant the parents are AKC registered. 
 
Why don't you let anyone near the pups?  Is it bad for them?
 
She had 3 poodles in the kitchen in their own crates.  The one poodle was with her pups, 2nd poodle that had a litter 8wks ago was in the next crate, then there was a 3rd poodle (6months) in another crate who she said was never bred.  All dam's were very friendly & came to the front of their cages to meet me & they listened to commands.  I'm not sure how close of quarters the dam is supposed to be with her pups, but when I was petting the mom through her crate, she was stepping all over the pups who didn't seem to mind.
 
She said they will be realeased at 6-8wks. 
 
I liked the way the dams looked, but they didn't look like poodles, more like tall cockapoos.  She said they looked like that because they weren't groomed.

Reputable breeders do not release pups before 6 weeks. That she'd even mention it worries me.
So you never got to interact outside of the crate? at all?
 
People...esp those looking at pups or having been around other dogs can carry illness on their shoes or clothing or hands. Precautions are always best. 2 weeks old is just "barely" out of the woods as to viability and likelihood to survive and thrive....I prefer to wait til later to test mother nature's immunity method []

I never thought to ask her to take them out of their crates, they seemed very friendly inside of them. 
 
After a different breeder never even showed me the parents or their living quarters, I was satisfied with just seeing the dam & their living quarters

ORIGINAL: brandy76

She said they will be realeased at 6-8wks. 

I liked the way the dams looked, but they didn't look like poodles, more like tall cockapoos.  She said they looked like that because they weren't groomed.

 
 
Puppies shouldn't be leaving their mother at 6 weeks. 
 
So, she won't show you paperwork to prove that the poodles that don't look like poodles are poodles? She also doesn't have any documentation for the stud dog.  How can you be really sure what you are buying?

ORIGINAL: brandy76

I just visited a breeder of cockapoos and I have some questions.  I was able to meet the dam which was a poodle, the sire is the cocker (not on premises).  She said they're akc registered, but since she's not breeding them together she doesn't have the paperwork.  Is this normal? 

I asked her about CERF & OFA and she said they've been checked for everything.  Does the breeder normally supply this paperwork when purchasing?

She showed me the pups which were 2wks old and she said even though they weren't vaccincated yet they can still be touched by humans, since they get their immunities from the mothers milk.  However the other breeder I visited said 2wk old pups can't be touched by humans since they're not vaccinated yet.  Who's right?

 
First, she should have the akc papers on her own dog. Even someone who owns a dog with a limited registration (which means any litters they produce CANNOT be registered) should have some paperwork if the dog is registered.
 
If she doesn't have the original paperwork on a sire that is off premises she should still be able to tell you his registered name. If she doesn't have a copy of his OFA or CERF info, you can look him up in the OFA database online at [linkhttp://www.offa.org]www.offa.org[/link] Ditto with her dog if you have the registered name. So, if she means she has lost the certificates but they have been tested, then she should be able to get the information for you pretty easily.
 
For example, I do not have copies of all of the certs on my dog's parents but I have the OFA numbers for hips, cardiac, elbow and cerf. By going to the OFA online database I can also look at the grandparents, siblings, past litters, etc and if they were tested. (Although I don't have to go to OFA because my breeder included test results on a edigree she gave me before she agreed to sell me a pup.)
 
I am not a breeder---but I bought my dog from a good one.  I wasn't allowed to touch a pup at two weeks and even going in the house to talk with the breeder I took my shoes off, sterlized my hands and had already gone through a Q & A about recent contact with other dogs (none in a couple of months, it was winter and I didn't have a dog) and I got to handle pups at about 6 weeks.
 
Why don't you get the registered names of the parents and post them here and I am sure someone will be able to help you learn more about them.
 

Why don't you let anyone near the pups? Is it bad for them?

The biggest danger is parvo.  People can carry that on their hands, clothes, shoes, etc. without even knowing it. 
 
Parvo is very resilient and can live for a year or more in the yards and homes of puppies/dogs that had the disease.

ORIGINAL: brandy76

I just visited a breeder of cockapoos and I have some questions.  I was able to meet the dam which was a poodle, the sire is the cocker (not on premises).  She said they're akc registered, but since she's not breeding them together she doesn't have the paperwork.  Is this normal?

 
Not that AKC registration would matter because the puppies would be ineligible for AKC registration she should have the AKC registration for the dam and she should have copies of the sire's AKC registration. If she doesn't have the paperwork, I would take that as neither of the dogs are AKC registered. The reason I say this is because if she knows you're coming over, I would think she'd have all her paperwork out and ready to be shown to you upon request. 

I asked her about CERF & OFA and she said they've been checked for everything.  Does the breeder normally supply this paperwork when purchasing?

 
If she doesn't show you paperwork upfront, I'd take that as she didn't do it. Again, if she were anticipating your visit, she'd have all of this out and ready to show you. Just in case you aren't aware, this is what a CERF test and certificate looks like..
 

 

 
And this is an OFA certificate...

She showed me the pups which were 2wks old and she said even though they weren't vaccincated yet they can still be touched by humans, since they get their immunities from the mothers milk.  However the other breeder I visited said 2wk old pups can't be touched by humans since they're not vaccinated yet.  Who's right?

 
Unless she requested that you take off your shoes once you walked in the door or that you wiped them down with a disinfectant and she made you wash your hands with an antibacterial soap then she's being absolutely foolish when it comes to the health of her puppies.

Color: I wanted a buff colored one & she showed me one that was very brown, but the lightest brown of the bunch.  She said the pup will get lighter.  I thought it was the opposite?

 
That really depends on genetics. Can she show you pictures of the dogs ancestors? That might give you a hint about how the dogs coat may look when it's mature.

I'm also visiting shelters for my search, but want to keep all options open & if I do choose to purchase one I want to make sure I'm getting one from the right person - Thanks

 
Based on what you've posted, I think you should keep looking.  

[font="microsoft sans serif"][color=#003366]No one I do not know well..even breathes on my puppies until they are 6 weeks old...then individual families can come view them and they are to bleach their shoes and wipes with a Clorox wipe before and after.

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I just want to state that while there is nothing wrong with Gina's approach, this is fully dependent on the breeder.  Molly Graf (Eichenluft GSDs) and Jan and Kerry Tesch (Aramora Cardigans) allow people to come in and handle and what not at a very young age.
 
There belief is that there's no harm in it, and they've had no sick babes.  It's all preference of the breed.

6 weeks is way too young for puppies to be taken from their mother and littermates.They need to be at least 8 weeks old; those extra 2 weeks are crucial for them to learn bite inhibition, manners, and to be emotionally ready to go to a new home.

I REALLY recommend staying far away from that particular breeder!

[size=3]I don#%92t believe she#%92s being truthful with you! if her dogs were AKC registered she would have the appropriate paperwork. if she lost the paperwork it could be easily obtained through AKC .why would she show two week old Puppies Anyway Did she have them in the paper? I find that very unusual ,She must be very money hungry to show puppies that young and she#%92s not afraid of diseases .. Or stressing out the mother most of them are very protective when Their babies are so young .I also don#%92t believe a puppy should leave two young they need a chance to play with the other pups. it helps them understand about biting.
I don#%92t think I would trust this person if she#%92s not going to be truthful about papers then she may not be truthful about other things [/size]

Ditto what everyone else said.
 
On color.....in my experience with cockers they DO tend to get darker.  The ears are usually a pretty good tip off...they tend to grow into the ear color.  But, at two weeks, who can really tell?  And mine were PURE cockers, not diluted with something else.
 
Now with the shepherds, gosh, Shadow was jet black at birth...he lightened to sable.  And I have seen that as well in some of the foster litters, so I'm guessing that it's a breed thing.
 
I'm gonna push the age just a little further.  When I was breeding cockers, the pups didn't even start to be looked at until 9 weeks. Even other breeders and show folks who were interested in my pups did not come to see them prior to 6 weeks, and John Q Public?  Unh uh!  For one thing JQP wants what he wants when he wants it and is less likely to WAIT a few more weeks to take a pup home. I took lots and lots of instant pictures and shared those at the breed club, but the babies were protected.  Since that was my rule, why invite them in to shop? Now, with fostering, I've moved that to 10-12 weeks.
 
Babies need to stay with their Mothers until at least 10 weeks.  That makes them into MUCH better pups and adults.

ORIGINAL: meilani
If she doesn't show you paperwork upfront, I'd take that as she didn't do it. Again, if she were anticipating your visit, she'd have all of this out and ready to show you. Just in case you aren't aware, this is what a CERF test and certificate looks like..





And this is an OFA certificate...


  

 
[sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif] osting these scans was a brilliant idea!
 
Is there some way to post things like this is a permanent place so people asking about these kinds of tests can see them???
 
Two cheers for you for scanning and being willing to share.[sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif][sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif]