So I was shopping for dog food.... and can't keep my mouth shut!

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    So I was shopping for dog food.... and can't keep my mouth shut!

    In the search for a better food for my dog Gizmo ( Better to me means higher protein and fat, and less chance of being poisoned.[8|]) I have been looking at Innova and Eagle Pack dog food. "On paper" they look good---so I looked up dealers in my area.
     
    The closest dealers in my state for each of these foods are pet stores that sell puppies.Angry
     
    Now as a rule I do NOT buy things from stores that sell puppies. I do not want to directly support a business that profits from the inhumane treatment of animals, and I do not want to indirectly support puppy mills by helping a pet store stay financially healthy.
     
    Am I the only one here who does this? Someone suggested to me that I was nuts and should just buy the food wherever is easiest and cheapest for me instead of going out of my way to buy from a non-puppy-selling store.
     
    Am I nuts???[sm=eek.gif] Do you shop in pet stores that sell puppies if you have a choice?
     
    To be honest, I was surprised the two stores in question sell these "high quality" foods....but they do.
     
    Is anyone else surprised to find brands like these an aisle or two away from puggles and yorkies with yucky eyes?
     
    [sm=hardhat-black.gif]Now here's the part where I get a tad mouthy in a pet store....
     
    One of the stores my DH now calls the "Little Shop of Horrors" and it seems like the focus of their business is puppy sales and some fish. You step inside the front door and there are maybe 9 raised "pens" (for want of a better term) with puppies of a variety of breeds in them. They are set up so you can just reach in and scoop up a puppy to hold. AWWWW how cute Crying 
     
    The puppies take up about half of the main floor space---which to me means they are the store's bread and butter. The pups are IMHO ;pricey--- $1,000 and up for a lab pup registered with a shady registry and no health info. on the parents. (I think the cheapest pup was the sheltie I describe below and he had been marked down to $800 because of his age. Some designer mixes were $1,200.)
     
    While none of the pups looked like they had an obviously serious health problem, the majority seemed to have dull coats and eyes and some discharge. A few of the small terriers were reacting to their placement and pen-mates by thrashing the other pups and biting people that picked them up. One of the 2 sheltie pups scurried from anyone who came to the edge of their pen. He was allegedly 16 weeks old and had been there for much longer than most of the other puppies. He was also in the pen closest to the front door.
     
    The labs (different prices for different colors, higher for females hmmm...) seemed to be faring the best--two of them were a little timid but the other three were typical labby "everybody is my friend." The designer mixes were being hyped like crazy by a couple of the sales people to some customers. "Hybrid vigor" and all.
     
    A little girl let a puppy go near the front door and I scooped it up to return it to a pen, which is when I shot my mouth off a little.
     
    The guy giving the speech by the pen of designer mixes thought I was considering buying the pup and kindly included me in his lecture to a couple holding another puppy. He was expounding on how mixes are NATURALLY HEALTHIER than purebreds. (I'll have to call my breeder and tell her the cardiac, hip, elbow and eye certifications would have been unecessary if she had just out-crossed to another breed. I am sure she will find my advice very helpful. [sm=rotfl.gif])
     
     
    Me to salesguy: so what health tests do they do on the parents?
     
    Guy: they make sure they are healthy, of course. And with these crosses you don't have to worry about health problems created by in-breeding. (ta-dah! he said with a confident %$##$^ grin)
     
    Me: so how do they check for genetic problems that are common in many breeds if they don't test them? If you cross two dogs of different breeds who both have bad hips you'll still get bad hips, right?
     
    Guy: well of course they make sure the parents are healthy and we guarantee the pup will be healthy.
     
    By now he was getting I was not interested in buying the puppy I was holding and he directed his sales talk back to the couple.
     
    I butted in again as I slipped the puppy into the pen. Me: as long as you guarantee them for 2 years---because that's when the Orthapedic Foundation says is the youngest you can make sure the hips are okay. Hip problems cost a bundle to fix. Will you help pay to fix a puppy's bad hips?
     
    He goes into a speech about the guarantee.....if its within the first year .....and they love pets too, and of course they would "do something" financially----even refunding the cost of the puppy. Why, they would actually lose money if they did that, but they stand behind their puppies.  He said that last part very seriously as if he expected us to be impressed.
     
    Me: What about the other four grand? ---'cause bad hips could run 5 grand to fix and that's a big chunk of change.
     
    This is when another sales guy higher up on the food chain came over to "help" and I decided it was time to get hubby and kids away from the fish tanks and leave.
     
    I won't buy anything there. DH says he doubts they would want me visiting them on a regular basis anyways[sm=lol.gif] I haven't been in the other pet store in almost a year---I went in on impulse not knowing what it was like inside and won't go back.
     
    So I am going to go to a couple of stores that are more out of the way and get some Innova and Eagle Pack food for Gizmo to try...I'll drive a bit more and maybe spend a bit more but I will feel better about WHERE I am spending my money.
     
    Elizabeth
     
    PS I am not a purebred snob, and I've owned a wonderful mix----my anger is never anti-dog, it is anti-people. The idea that mixing two breeds means they avoid ALL hereditary health problems is a crock. By that logic my old Liam should have had perfect hips instead of the crummy ones he actually had. Quite honestly, it had been a looong day and I would have gone off on HD if the guy had been trying to sell me a lab pup...and if he had been hawking "imperial shih tzus" I would have gone nutty on him about how "imperial" is a marketing term.
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    You get 'em! I can't go into stores that sell pups for the same reason. Some of those pet store employees make used car salemen and horse traders look good.

    I haven't bought anything from a pet store that sells pups in years. Most of the stores around here that carry pups don't sell foods I like anyway. I'd probably skip the store finders on the websites and start calling all the stores you find in the yellow pages. The websites don't seem to be very up to date for some brands of food. The store I get my foods from isn't even listed on half the sites of the brands they carry. Make sure you call the feed & farm stores, too. You'd be surprised how many carry good brands.
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    You can order a lot of high quality foods online, too. My nearest pet store at school is 40 minutes away, and it's a beloved Petco. I've been very happy ordering my food online.

    And good for you for speaking up!
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    No - you're not nuts - I'd travel further also, or order online.   I once went into a petshop for a relatively rare fish supply and saw puppies in there.  I was floored.  The employees were carrying the puppies in pouches (there were 2 pups and 2 employees in the front - more employees in the back) - that was a bit of a plus.  I didn't want to get into a long discussion so I merely asked if they got the pups from reputable breeders, to which the employee said "of course".   I nearly exploded.  How much more of a crock of nonsense could they have given me ! ? !  How WRONG could an answer be ! ? !   I took my fish stuff and left - haven't been back since and hope I never need that stuff for the fish again because I'm not looking forward to the hour+ car-ride if I do !
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    Way to go!!  I hate petstores that sell puppies, we have 2 VERY close to my house that we have gone in to check out when we first moved here ( I have never and will never buy anything from these stores.)  I was pretty disgusted to say the least on how these people try to sell these poor puppies like nothing and they way these puppies are kept really pisses me off too.  I have never gone back there, I now go to Petsmart and Petco. 


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    Nope, I do not patronize stores that sell puppies. There's a PetLand near me and I cringe just driving by it. Pretty soon I'm going to start putting flyers on all the cars in the parking lot about puppy mills. I hate that place.

    When I do go to the big box stores, for some reason people always think I'm an employee? No idea why because I'm not wearing a PetCo shirt or anything. I wear my keys around my neck on a lanyard (I don't carry a purse) and for some reason that gets me mistaken for a store employee in a lot of different venues. Anyway, I digress... I've been mistaken for an employee and asked questions while shopping, and I always say I'm not an employee BUT if it's something I'm knowledgable about I give an opinion anyway. Chances are it's not like the actual employees are going to know more than me about cats and dogs (small animals, birds and fish I know nothing about, admittedly) and I'm pretty frank and open about my opinions. What's the point of having 'em if you don't use 'em, right?
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    Until recently, the only stores in town that sold rats for feeders, sell puppies. [:@]  So I've had to, but that's the only thing I've bought there.  Luckily though, Petco came into town and they will sell rats as feeders.  Petsmart will sell you a snake, but not the food to feed it.  [>:]
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    [sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif][sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif][sm=clapping%20hands%20smiley.gif] Good for you for speaking up!  I'm not sure I could.
     
    But you are NOT crazy for not supporting stores that sell puppies.  I know I don't & can't rationalize supporting such places.
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    I know most dont agree with me here but I would absolutely shop at a pet store that sells pups.  I wouldnt buy a pup from there but I would buy my food from them.  There are two stores I shop at, one sells pups and other does not.  I usually shop at the one that does not, but every once in a while I shop at the other because it's on my way to work. 
    It just depends on strongly you feel about the whole thing.  I personally don't feel strong enough about it to make things inconvenient for me.
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    Good for you!!! Thats great that you spoke up about it. I think some people shop at a store that sells puppies and may not agree with it but doesn't speak up.
     
    There is a pet supply store about a mile away that sells puppies, and unfortunetly my BF's family has gotten all their 4 dogs from there!
    They once had a Puggle for $1800...is that a joke was my first thought!?
     
    I also refuse to shop at a store that sells puppies, why support them? I am lucky to have Petsmart and Petco within a few miles though
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    I don't understand how pet stores get away with selling puppies for over $1000 just because they are "AKC Registered".  OOOO BIG DEAL.  [:'(]  I've spent months looking at breeders for a future dog and so far I've found you can get beautiful purebreds with championed parents with certified joints for $500.  In fact a few people here said there's no reason to spend more than $500.

    My favorite pet store around here is Chow Hound.  They only sell fish and their people are the most knowledgable about fish and fish supplies, at least at the one I go to.  My husband is into fish and he often trades in fish for store credits.  We don't breed fish, but sometimes we get a fish that ends up not getting along, or a fish gets really big and isn't happy in the tank, so we trade it in.  Sometimes they have kittens, but they are just hosting them for local rescues.  I'm not sure if they have decent food, I don't get food there, just fish and cat supplies.
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    I have not seen any pet stores in my area that sell puppies, and I'm glad about that.  I think you are doing the right thing by sticking to your convictions and not giving them your business.  I didn't even think these places existed anymore.  I guess I am wrong!
     
    I remember the Doctor's Pet Centers in malls years ago, but do they still exist??  Around here it's feed stores and the big chains that promote adoption, not sales.  
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    i refuse to buy from stores that sell pups. I am having the same problem with finding eagle pack. instead i talked to my local pet store that doesnt sell pups and he said that he would order it in for me. I just give him a call two weeks before i run out and he orders it in for me. I reccomend talking to the manager of the store you like dealing with they are always happy to help.
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    My local Petland says that their puppies come from "local breeders" as if the fact that they're local means that they're healthy.
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    Until recently, the only stores in town that sold rats for feeders, sell puppies. [:@]  So I've had to, but that's the only thing I've bought there.  Luckily though, Petco came into town and they will sell rats as feeders.  Petsmart will sell you a snake, but not the food to feed it.  [>:]

     
    OT, but it's really not a good idea to feed snakes live food- it's a cruelty issue for the prey, and a safety issue for the snake. Feeding live prey to reptiles is illegal in many places. Humanely euthanized frozen feeders are the way to go- many pet stores can get them for you if you ask, or you can order them online. I refuse to shop at pet stores that sell live feeders, as well as places that sell puppies. It's just as much of a cruelty issue.
     
    I order what I can online, and shop at petsmart if I absolutely MUST go to a store that sells live animals. . (Which I hate having to do, since I would prefer to avoid stores that sell animals at ALL- birds and rodents in those stores come from mills just like puppies do. [&o])