is it alright to be scared

Granted I am a bit gun shy at the moment.  Based on my experience I would look for another litter.  I know how hard that is.  I had been waiting for a puppy from a specific sire for but 3 years.  There was a litter born.  Medical issues early in life that were thought to be temporary occurred. The problems were not.  I ended up returning the puppy which was devastating.  So, based on that, reserve judgement.  Look at the litter if you must, but dont plan on a puppy unless you are absolutely sure of the health or are willing to provide the vet care etc.

Yes, things happen.  I had a COCKER with a litter of only two very large pups.  Cockers do not typically NEED a section.....one pup was in fact stuck in the birth canal....when my vet wasn't concerned I found one who WAS and in doing that, spared her a section and saved the lives of her and both pups.  A good breeder doesn't wait and see.  A good breeder will take immediate action and get the dog to a vet, even if it means going to the emergency vet in the middle of the nite.  And any dog that is more frequently suseptible to needing a cesarian should be very closely monitored and gotten to the vet IMMEDIATELY.  You can TELL when a pup is stuck in the birth canal.  Anyone who has helped with birthing babies KNOWS....so I stand by my position that this is NOT a very good breeder to let two pups die while she waited to see.

WOW!!! After just having my own litter last Friday by c-section and knowing what I do for my mommas and their pups I'm sorry, this is one I too would have to wonder "HOW" experienced they really are. When a bitch is trying to produce a pup you DON"T wait 4 hours to call a vet, you get in the car and DRIVE to the EMERGENCY clinic because every EXPERIENCED breeder knows it only takes minutes to put not only the pups but the bitch in danger which is what these people did.
 
Just because someone watched two dogs mate doesn't make them a breeder...same goes for health testing...and just what type of health testiung have they done? And what is this about toes???? Are you talking dew claws???
 
Run, and run FAST!

im not running i have a deposit  on this pup and im not turing back

You put a deposit on a pup that wasn't born?

Well, then, my dear, I wish you luck.  Jaime is right....they don't do anything with TOES, but rather with dewclaws and any breeder who doesn't know THAT, well, scarey!!

puppyluver, I hope the pups and the momma turn out alright.  I'm sorry to hear that things didn't go well at all.  I grew up with boxers and they hold a very special place in my heart, so I know how badly you must want this puppy.  Lots of good thoughts going out to the momma and those puppies.

After re-reading the e-mail she sent you a few times there are really reasons to be afraid...I'm not trying to insult you or condemn you but there are many things written by your :Breeder" that are not what should be happening, I will cut and paste her words and my thoughts. I'm really sorry you have put a deposit on this litter. I'd be VERY surprised if any live.
 

She had 5 puppies by 4 in the morning, then she stopped.  We could feel more in there but sometimes they do take a while in between puppies so we waited.  When we didn't have anything by 8 when the vet opened we called.  He was away on an emergency and we were told to take her in a little later.

4 hours, too long to wait when no pups are produced..they waited even longer since the vet was not in the office, pups and Dam were in danger and they didn't seek emergency treatment...not acting responsible for the care of the dam and puppies.
 

He had to do an emergency c-section and while he was at it we had him spay her.  Once they have a c-section chances are they have to have them from that point on.  We didn't want to take any chances 

 Definately NOT TRUE!!! If they had been in constant communication with the vet and they knew that her temp had dropped they could have called the vet to say she was in labor as the vet would have been "ON CALL" for her. This is THEIR fault, once a dam starts to have distress they give oxytosin to help with contractions..if the vet was called they could have saved the pups instead of waiting it out.
C-sections ARE NOT normal in large breeds like a Boxer unless there is a complication and so what if she was to havea c-section the next litter..my frenchies will ONLY have C-sections..I guess they don't feel they want to spend that kind of money on delivery...hmmm, maybe because they won't be making as much as they think they will by free whelping??? Besides, if this is such an awsome bitch who is health tested as you say, she would have been a valuable asset to the breeding program wouldn't she? Why spay her?
 

We ended up taking home the only 2 that made it along with Rachel.  They were all very weak and Rachel was still sedated

So tube feed or bottle feed...the dog would not have been sedated..bitches are up and awake moments after a C-section..I know as I was in the delivery last Friday with my pups.
 

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So you do what you need to including cooking and adding nutrical to get them to eat..my girl is getting boiled hamberger, cottage cheese, milk suppliment and salmon oil as she too didn't want to eat...but you do what you have to..these are lives!!
 

The puppies were all real thin and weak we were starting to supplement the ones that were with her to keep them healthy

Way past the mark...new born pups should NEVER be considered "Thin" I'll bet she doesn't even have a scale to weigh if they are losing or gaining..very CRITICAL at this point, pups should be monitored daily for weight gain and "Supplimenting" is not what she should be doing, they should be tube feeding or bottle feeding
 

So I have 3 I brought home with me tonight.  There are 7 puppies, but I'm not sure the one is going to make it

So she has the pups, momma isn't nursing what in the world!!! Maybe best because she isn't in the shed anylonger but is this person feeding these pups every two hours 24/7? Thats what they need if they aren't nursing...and what about heat? These pups need to be in a constant warm temp the first week and the pups can not regulate body temperature
 

procedure will put them into shock as weak as they are and they will certainly not make it.

Will not put them in shock, happens all the time. My pups dews were done on Wednesday...they hardley even know it happens, same with tails, thats why it's done this early as the blood flow to that area is minimal at such a young age..I've had Rotti's, my experience.
 
So yeah, I'd be scared, you are dealing with people who have no idea how to be breeders or take care of the pups they've produced efficiantly. I'm not trying to be mean to you, I just want you to see what is wrong with this picture, you'll be lucky if any survive and if not..do you think you'll get your money back from your deposit?
 
sad, all very sad

Thank you Jaime.  You said very well what I was too ticked off at this "breeder" to put into printable words.

Glenda,
 This was not an easy task, I really don't want to hurt feelings but I'll tell you I can't even fathom this happening.
I feel bad for the other dogs these people own now.
Knowing what I do for my girls and how hard I work for my pups, this breaks my heart...there's a name for people like this

Everything sounds off about this. Boxers normally don't require C-Sections, unlike Bostons, Frenchies and Bulldogs, and for this "experienced" breeder to wait 4 hours before contacting the vet is pure insanity. I'm surprised she didn't lose the pups and the bitch.
 
I see a lot of red flags here. Waiting too long to seek veterinary help. Pups being raised in a shed. The stud dog owner coming to pick out a puppy right after they're born. I would think a stud dog owner would wait until the pups are older to see which one would be best because you really can't tell the quality of the pups when they're this young.
 
I'm curious. What made you choose this breeder? Does she show and prove in conformation and or other events? If so, did she show you proof of this? You say she does health testing. What tests? OFA, CERF, BAER or anything else? Did she show you proof?
 
I think you jumped the gun by putting down a deposit on a dog that wasn't even born yet as now you are stuck getting a dog that may have some health issues due to the carelessness of a breeder. How much of a deposit did you put down? If it's not that much, perhaps it's best to forfeit it and find someone who has more of a clue about whelping puppies... and isn't raising them in a shed.

Regardless, it needed to be said, Jaime, and you said it soooo well.

I would *think* given the build of a boxer that they might be more prone to needing a c-section and gosh, I didn't wait with a cocker, so I sure can't imagine waiting with one shaped like that......

look you guys thanks for your imput and stuff but no bredder is perfect and i am getting this puppy.no breeder is perfect and things go wrong  .jamie.. i understand that you are a breeder but i cant run away i have a deposit so i get a pup and im not just going to just put 150 dollars down and no get the pup thanks for everything but im not trying to look for another breeder im looking to be my puppy in 2 monthes

You are right that even a good responsible breeder can have problems, but this clearly is NOT a good and responsible breeder.  Jaime is absolutely right that this woman is nothing more than a backyard breeder and a poor one at that to "wait and see" for more than 4 hours.

I hope for your sake that there IS a healthy pup for you to bring home.  I'm afraid that the reality will be a not so healthy pup, if any, that will cost you BIG bucks in vet bills throughout it's short life.

glenda thanks but shes a breeder and I have been looking for 4 years to find a puppy i found one and so im getting her  i have looked and looked and looked  i found one shes not a BYB and i dont like you guys calling her that.go think that somewhere else but dont say it on here i wasnt going to spend 2000 dollars on a dog sure she'll be so much more but im doing this and im sorry that what i want in a dog is not perfection