Men Dating In Our 40's

    • Gold Top Dog

    Men Dating In Our 40's

    I found this on another forum and thought it was interesting.  Discuss if you wish.  FWIW, having dated in my 40's, I think the guy is pretty much right on.  Hopefully, all the "questionable" words have been ***.

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     Originally Posted by Craigslist
    I am a man in my 40s and dating. I was married and against my wishes the marriage ended. I loved my wife deeply, she decided she no longer loved me and she wasn't "happy". So, now I date. I didn't ask to be in my 40s and single, but reality being what it is I live with it.

    I have no plans to ever get married again. I might have a steady girlfriend if the occasion arises, but she'd have to be pretty damn spectacular for me to make that leap. I have had all my children, I am financially secure and have a plan for myself that is better done without a typical American woman's bull**** to goof it up. I don't hate women at all by the way, I just know what is worth my time and what isn't.

    I date for the occasional bit of company and to occasionally have sex, that's about it. I don't need a woman in my life full time. I can cook and clean, etc, etc. If I wanted full time companionship, I'd get a dog. Dog's are much easier to deal with than women at this point in my life. Call me shallow, etc etc whatever, that's fine with me. I know me a helluva lot better than anyone else does.

    I do have some rules for dating. Since I am not a horny, partying twenty something or a desparate to have kids thirty something these rules work for me. I think everyone ought to come up with what works for them, keeping the reality of their particular situation in mind.

    My personal rules:

    1. I never seriously date a woman who terminated her last relationship because she wasn't "happy". Happiness is an emotional response to external stimuli. To break the vow of "til' death do us part" over an emotional state that may or may not be another person's fault, is shallow and shows a lack of emotional maturity. It tells me that woman is too self absorbed to be a reliable partner in the future.

    2. I don't date fat women. Sorry, all you "BBWs"; get a grip on reality. If you are walking around looking like you have a beer keg stuffed in your pants, you don't give a **** about yourself, so I really don't expect you to give a **** about me in the long run. Don't give me that crap about how happy you are with yourself, you're not and we both know it. If you and I had fallen in love twenty years ago, gotten married and had a family and you had put on the weight, I would still be with you, but we didn't and so I see no need to accommodate your lack of character and discipline.

    3. I won't seriously consider dating a woman who has a lot of hangups about sex. Since I have had all my children, since I can cook and clean and make a damn good living for myself and my children, you bring nothing to the table I need in the traditional sense. Hell, most women can't or won't cook a decent meal anymore and are as a general rule clueless in regard to the domestic arts. If you have a lot of hangups about sex before we are monogamous, I pretty much see the writing on the wall after we have been together for a while. You might not like it, but sex is important to men, yes actually, it IS mostly about sex. Now that we are all well educated as to the dangers of unprotected sex, STDs and birth control, I don't see the problem. Your ***** is not the only one in the universe and it isn't plated with gold. If you won't have sex with a man, one of your slutty sisters around the corner will.

    4. Feminists. I don't date women who are avowed feminists with a "you go girl" mentality. Sorry, but your little movement ****ed things up in a major way. I think women ought to vote, receive equal pay for equal work etc. etc. I do have enough sense to recognize that whether by design or chance, men and women are different and since I think that form follows function there is a reason for our differences. I don't want to be around a woman who wants to prove to me she is as good as I am at "man" stuff. It is annoying. It makes you look stupid and insecure.

    5. "Independent" women. I never date a woman who feels the need to tout her own independence. First, independent entities by definition do not want or need to be in any type of union with another entity. When the United States declared independence from Great Britain, we dissolved the ties that had connected us to the British. I myself am independent and feel no need to tell everyone about it. It is called being an adult. Being able to take care of yourself doesn't make you special, it makes you "grown folks". Second, if you are that independent, why are you looking for a relationship in the first place? Independence is the opposite of dependence and being able to depend on others is why we get into relationships of any kind in the first place.

    6. Women who spend every weekend perched on a barstool. I don't date these over the hill party girls because as an adult male, I know why men go to bars and clubs and as a mature adult woman you ought to as well. If you do know and still sit there every weekend you are trying to be something you aren't (young, unless you are a drunk) and I have no desire to be with a woman who lives in a fantasy world. If you haven't figured out why men go to bars and clubs and you are sitting there hoping to meet prince charming, you are clueless and I like to think the women I date have a modicum of intelligence.

    7. I don't date women who have their children full time. Might come across as a ****ty attitude to have, but I see no need to be a full time father to someone else's children and a part time father to my own. This is a personal preference I developed after having discussions with my own children. Mine have been through enough already, I'm the Dad and feel I am doing what is best for my children, they were here first.

    8. Anyone who is fanatical about much of anything. If you are religious fanatic, I too believe in God. I have a degree in Theology as a matter of fact, but as far as I can tell, God didn't assign any woman at anytime to be my moral gatekeeper. He did tell you to be "keepers at home", if you are so caught up in church work that you are making your family the second priority in your life you aren't following your own rule book. I digress, fanaticism of any kind is a psychological addiction and I prefer to spend my time with people who lead a well balanced life. Addiction of any kind is a turn off.

    9. Overly materialistic. My preference. I grew up dirt poor and have by hard work gotten myself to a pretty good spot in life. If you have a desire and need to get the latest and greatest and keep up with the Jones family, you aren't for me. I see no need to potentially work myself into an early grave to keep you in shiny trinkets and new cars. I am pretty content with a pot of beans and a nice clean, comfortable house in a decent neighborhood and a vehicle that works and is safe. If $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is what motivates you, I am not mad at you or knocking you for it, I am personally not interested. No, I am not "poor", it is about priorities.


    There ya go. Don't know why I posted this. Saw the comments about people in their 40s dating and this is what came to mind. I have no real interest in getting into another permanent relationship. I am content to spend the rest of my life single, but that works for me.


    For those disparaging the over 40 dating crowd, even 40 somethings get lonely at times, some more than others. Some of those people are there through no fault of their own. they were and are good men and women who had an ex get middle aged crazy and left a good man or woman behind to chase after something they thought they were missing. Maybe the other person was an abusive ******* or addict and the one who is single had to leave for any number of reasons. All sorts of reasons people over 40 are single. Keep breathing and you might find yourself there some day.

    • Gold Top Dog

    David and I "dated in our 40's" -- he'd never been married and I never EVER wanted to get married again.

    This guy willingly carries around a LOT of anger and baggage.  But you know what? It's his set of Samsonite and if you want to carry a matching set, it's your business.

    I don't mean that in a mean way -- been THERE, done it.  I had my OWN set of rules, and so did David.  And the truly weird thing was it just plain clicked and what neither of us were looking for just plain happened, and lasted thru absolutely the most "couldn't POSSIBLY happen" set of circumstances.  We fell "in like", later "in love", and since honesty and commitment is such a big huge deal with both of us we waited til we were 'sure' (363 days since he first flew to this country), got married (which is SO much better than the whole 'dating' thing).

    For both of us dating just wasn't any fun ... and we're the first to admit we have a rather unusual life, but man it's FUN as heck and it works. 

    Dating in your 40's is SO weird.  Your priorities are so different, and frankly (as you can see from above) what ticks you off and what works and what doesn't is pretty different.  The secret is being flexible enough to figure out what you 'need' versus what your anger/life disappointment/pre-programmed ideas of life steer you towards.

    But I think everyone needs their own list of 'rules' -- for me it had to do with elminating spending a ton of time with someone with interests completely opposite my own -- I don't do sports.  Not at all.  I know nothing about them, don't care about them, don't talk about them ... and you know what?  It's ok.  The guy who likes sports is very likely not to be MY cup of tea either! 

    Wasn't a problem -- David doesn't 'do' sports either! 

    The scarey thing for us, was the fact that it was so darned unexpected  -- reaching out to grab something that was ... UNexpected was kinda scarey.  But worth it. 

    Dating?  yuck.  Wasn't.  We did all our 'dating' online -- THAT was fun.  FOR US. 

    But that's the deal -- if you're 'dating when you're 40' because you are afraid of being alone, lost, desperate or clingy -- you've got a problem, and you're gonna re-do whatever you did before that left you 40 and dating.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Cute. I didn't date in my 40s. I was happily married. But Callie, I hear everything you said. Yes

    Check this out.

    The women's perspective:

    1. I never seriously date a man who terminated his last relationship because he wasn't "happy". Happiness is a choice people make about themselves, regardless how the people around them behave. To break the vow of "til' death do us part" because he’s not happy and he blames it on someone else, is shallow and shows a lack of maturity. It tells me that a man is too self absorbed to be a reliable partner in the future.

    2. I don't date uneducated men. Sorry, you idiots… get a grip on reality. If you don’t know how to use the English language, I don’t have any interest in being embarrassed by your foot being in your mouth half the time. If I had fallen in love with you twenty years ago… well, never mind. I wouldn’t have. I see no need to accommodate your lack of intelligence and education.

    3. I won't seriously consider dating a man who is obsessed about sex. Since I can cook and clean and make a damn good living for myself, you bring nothing to the table that I need in the traditional sense. Hell, most men were never taught to or can't or won't cook a decent meal anyway. And forget about cleaning up after themselves. Pick up a sock, will ya? If you are obsessed about sex before we are monogamous, I pretty much see the writing on the wall after we have been together for a while. You might not like it, but there is so much more to life than sex. And by the way… your **** is not the only one in the universe and it isn't plated with gold. Give me something to go on here… If all you want is a person willing to have sex with you at your beck and call, then go to the red-light district of any large city.

    4. Chauvinist Pigs. I don't date men who have a “god’s Gift to Women” mentality. Sorry, but your insecurities about your “manliness” are old and tired. Women and men are equal and different. Get used to it. I do have enough sense to recognize that whether by design or chance, men and women are different and since I think that form follows function there is a reason for our differences. I don't want to be around a man who wants to prove to me that he is the "man" of the house and can’t deal with me making more money than him. It is annoying. It makes him look stupid and insecure.

    5. "Sensitive" men. I never date a man who feels the need to tout his “sensitivity”. First, it’s probably a line. Men use this line to attract a woman when all they wants is to get into her pants. See # 3 above. I myself am a sensitive individual and I feel no need to tell everyone about it. It is called being human. Being able to hear and understand other people doesn't make you special; it makes you a "grown up". Second, if you are that sensitive, I’m not sure I want a relationship with you at all. Who knows when something I might say would hurt your little feelings? Be a man!


    6. Men who spend every weekend sprawled out on a couch in front of the TV! I don't date these juvenile sports addicts because as an adult female, I have more interests in life than watching other little men run around knocking each other down and I definitely have better things to do than watch YOU watch them. If a man insists on spending his weekends (and sometimes weekdays) drinking and eating crap in front of the “idiot box” with his buddies yelling at people who cannot hear him, I have no desire to be with him. He is living in a fantasy world. If you haven't figured out that the sports industry is but a great distraction, you are clueless and I like to think the men I date have a modicum of intelligence.

    7. I don't date men who have children. Might come across as a ****ty attitude to have, but I see no need to be a full OR part-time mother to someone else's children when I chose not to have my own. This is a personal preference of mine and I don’t want to be involved with a man who has kids that are going to hate me just because I’m there and I’m NOT their mother. I don’t want to be involved with a man who has an ex-wife around his neck because of his connection to her…. The precious kids. I’m first. And if he has kids, I won’t be.

    8. Anyone who is fanatical about much of anything. If you are religious, forget it. I’m an atheist. I will not have someone bugging me to go to church (because they care about me) or have my sins forgiven or tell me that I’m going to hell. If you are so caught up in religion that you are making me the second priority in your life I’m not interested. I digress, fanaticism of any kind is a psychological addiction and I prefer to spend my time with people who lead a well-balanced non-fantasy life. Addiction of any kind is a turn off. Including beer.

    9. Overly materialistic. My preference. I grew up poor and have, by hard work, gotten myself to a pretty good spot in life. If you have a desire and need to get the latest and greatest sports car and big-screen TV to make your buddies jealous, you aren't for me. I see no need to potentially work myself into an early grave to keep you in motorcycles and season tickets. I am pretty content with a pot of beans and a nice clean, comfortable house in a decent neighborhood and a vehicle that works and is safe. If money, status and envious friends are what motivate you, I am personally not interested. It is about priorities

     

    By the way, these aren't MY rules and I don't necessarily agree with them, I just wanted to show the "other side" Wink 

    • Gold Top Dog
    FourisCompany- That is AWESOME!!!! Did you make those changes yourself? I think it's hilarious how it can be turned around and it also makes it easier to see how horrible both sets of "rules" sound.
    • Gold Top Dog

    fwiw I'll add this here.  Back when Davey and I were playing around online in that chat room, my first conversation (if it got past "hey";) went something like this:

    "Wanna play a little game? Just a get to know you thing? No tricks but in 5 minutes we'll know if either of us is wasting time ..."

    "sure"

    "It's called 3 Good Things -- I list 3 things that *I* think are good things ... then you tell me 3 things YOU think are Good Things ...  I'll even go first:   My Dogs, Hagen Daz coffee ice cream, and The Lord of the Rings books."

    There were times he 'left' then and there.  Other times he came back with:

    "Pizza & Beer, Football and ... dirt-biking"

    Even if he tried to be (see above) "sensitive" or whatever .. by the 2d or 3rd list of 3, it was usually abundantly clear where everyone's priorities were.  And by the 10th list of 3 things it gets darned hard!!! 

    I never had it fail -- even the guys who were just playing and trying to say whatever it is they THOT you wanted them to say ... it all became clear. 

    The thing I never understood was people who make themselves miserable just to 'be with someone'.  Not smart.

    • Gold Top Dog

    I don't have an issue with either list.  People are entitled to make their own relationship decisions.

     FWIW- I wouldn't date a fat guy, but I'd have a great time with the sports watching guy.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Luvntzus
    it also makes it easier to see how horrible both sets of "rules" sound.

    I actually have no problem with either set of rules and I certainly don't see anything "horrible" about either.  Care to elaborate?

    • Gold Top Dog

     i dont see anything horrible about having a list either. maybe if more people were honest with themselves about what they were looking for in a mate, there would be less divorce.

    i think the horrible thing is to pretend to like something (or fool yourself into thinking you like something)  that you really dont just to make the situation work at them moment.

    • Gold Top Dog

    i agree with some of the lists from BOTH genders...

    the man rules could have been written by my husband lol he has been married to three different women (not including me) and they all left because they werent happy, werent getting enough $$$$ or ****... so they went off to chase down some other guy who they thought could give them more. one wife died in her thirties from the party life, one wife is trapped in a miserable relationship, but at least she is rich now!! and the other is over weight, has bad teeth, got accidentally pregnant when she was 34, and her husband is the typical over bearing manly man who has to prove how manly he is by screaming at people.. 

     

    honestly when i met my husband we were just room mates and we avoided each other for the most part... we had our reasons... now that we are together we're perfectly happy with the way things turned out (and yes he was 43 when i met him, and i was only 20) so you can imagine what everyone thought... i was a gold digger... he was in a midlife crisis... but he had no money!!! and he was on the verge of becoming a monk, or at the very least moving to a deserted island after all the crap his ex had put him through..

     

    anyway i liked the list. i'm going to send it to him and his friend Danny, who is also in his forties.. this guy had ONE bad relationship when he was 25 and hasnt dated since then!! he thinks because of everything his friends have gone through, or are going through in regards to bad relationships that he is smarter to never have anything to do with women... he believes that eventually all women will shaft you, take your stuff, and you will be paying through the nose for years to come....

    but after talking to him and after a lot of digging ..the truth came out.. he is scared to death of women because of HIS inferiority complex!! he is... SHY!!! poor fella.... 

    • Gold Top Dog

    BEVOLASVEGAS
    FWIW- I wouldn't date a fat guy,

    I never thought I would date a fat girl either, but I did, for a couple of months, because she was such a nice girl.  Ultimately though, I just couldn't get over her being fat.  Now in my defense, she wasn't just a little bit chunky, she was fat.  At some point, she insisted I tell her why I wasn't interested in a romantic relationship with her, so I did.  She told me she was certain she could handle whatever I said.  She couldn't.  We still talk today but it took her awhile to come around.

     

    • Gold Top Dog

    Tamara, yes, I did make them up. LOL

    calliecritturs
    "Wanna play a little game? Just a get to know you thing? No tricks but in 5 minutes we'll know if either of us is wasting time ..."

     

    On my first date with my husband, I told him that there were 3 things he needed to know about me and if he had any problem with them, then we wouldn't have to waste our time going any further. He didn't have any problem and we've been that honest and open with each other ever since (1990).

    I definitely agree that being honest in the first place is the ONLY way to go!  

    • Gold Top Dog

    probe1957
    I actually have no problem with either set of rules and I certainly don't see anything "horrible" about either.  Care to elaborate?

     

    I didn't say it, but I think they SOUND horrible, too.  At first read, they sound pretty offensive. I think it's good to be honest, too, but some of the phrases in the lists sound pretty nasty to me. Smile

    Your blank isn't made of gold? LOL  

    • Gold Top Dog
    Honesty is important, but that list is filled with hate, judgement and assumptions. And as far as honesty, I hope he's telling the women he dates right up front that he basically just wants sex. If that's all they want too, then more power to them! lol
    • Gold Top Dog

    FourIsCompany

    Your blank isn't made of gold? LOL  

    It might sound pretty "nasty," but it's true.  Don't you think?  I mean, if all I wanted out of a relationship was sex, I could go to a prostitute and do so for a lot less money than a wife costs and PROBABLY have a lot better sex.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Luvntzus
    Honesty is important, but that list is filled with hate, judgement and assumptions.

    Assuming I accept your premise, so?  The world is filled with hate, judgement and assumptions.