Brother that put puppy in oven convicted

"Joshua and Justin Moulder were sentenced Friday afternoon to 10 years for burglary and five years for animal cruelty, but the sentences will be served concurrently, not consecutively."
 
Ten for burglary, five for the dog's life? [:'(]

While I'm glad these kids are out of society for now, throwing them in jail doesn't need to be the end of the story. I seriously hope they get some psychological evaluations and treatment for these kids....obviously, something somewhere went very wrong in their brains and I hope something is done about it, for their, and everyone elses sake. []
 
I am glad that they didn't get away with this though. 5 years for what they did is hardly a punishment, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

I say it's better than nothing......going to jail is not easy......there will be lots of entertainment there..........[]

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While I'm glad these kids are out of society for now, throwing them in jail doesn't need to be the end of the story. I seriously hope they get some psychological evaluations and treatment for these kids....obviously, something somewhere went very wrong in their brains and I hope something is done about it, for their, and everyone elses sake. []

I am glad that they didn't get away with this though. 5 years for what they did is hardly a punishment, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

They basically got nothing for what they did to the puppy.  The 10 years was for the burgulary that they were involved in a when they decided to have some more fun and torture the puppy to death before they left with the loot...

These two sounds like they are psychotic and you can evaluate people like that all day long, and when they get turned loose, they go right back to reeking havoc on the people they are around.  

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I say it's better than nothing......going to jail is not easy......there will be lots of entertainment there..........[]

I hope they get a couple of big guys on their cellblock that are dog lovers......... Then they will know what the puppy felt like....

These guys should have gotten much much more. 

Maybe they should go to one of those prisons where they have the dog training programs.  Of course, I would not allow them to have a dog unsupervised at all, but there would be lots of tough dog lovers there.  Being surrounded by scary dog loving men would be a good punishment.

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While I'm glad these kids are out of society for now, throwing them in jail doesn't need to be the end of the story. I seriously hope they get some psychological evaluations and treatment for these kids....obviously, something somewhere went very wrong in their brains and I hope something is done about it, for their, and everyone elses sake. []

I am glad that they didn't get away with this though. 5 years for what they did is hardly a punishment, but I suppose it's better than nothing.

They basically got nothing for what they did to the puppy.  The 10 years was for the burgulary that they were involved in a when they decided to have some more fun and torture the puppy to death before they left with the loot...

These two sounds like they are psychotic and you can evaluate people like that all day long, and when they get turned loose, they go right back to reeking havoc on the people they are around.  

 
Oh I absolutely agree. I think it's complete crap that they only got 5 years for what they did to the puppy. My point was just that SOMETHING should be done to help these kids- yes, they should serve the time (I wish they got more) but they should also be put in some kind of counseling program or something similar. Whether it'll do any good in the long run is, IMO, irrelevant....I feel that the effort should be made. Sane people just don't do this kind of thing.

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Maybe they will get hell in prison because animal abusers are really looked down on by ordinary criminals.  Or, the way things are these days they will probably be protected in prison to prevent that happening.  Or, the treatment they get and the company they keep could serve to "harden" them so that they come out more dangerous than before.
 
Whats the betting a few years down the line from now one of those brothers will be standing trial again..... for doing something unspeakable to a human being.  And then everyone will lament and say how could this have happened, they were convicted of that all those years ago, wasn't it obvious that they were a danger to society and just not normal?  This should never have happened, it was preventable, they should never have been allowed back into society, etc etc.....
 
 

[:'(][:'(][:'(]That is just disgusting, honestly I would have liked for them to be burned alive on their way to hell!!![sm=evilfire.gif]The connection has been proven many times animal abusers are human abusers/serial killers but I guess the legal system doesn't know that.Soooo gross I was watching one of those forensic files shows and it was about a girl who got murderd and decapitated anyways the guy who did it was one her friends,the investigators found in his diary he wanted to be the most famous serial killer[:'(]His friends said he would often go to the pound get acat or dog and decapitate it keep it's head in the freezer and call it his"trophy"[:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(]why are people like this even born[]

I too admit that as sick as it makes me feel to say it, the only punishment I would be satisfied with in this case is eye for an eye. That is a pathetic sentence. Drug dealers serve more time. I've also heard that most mass murderers start off by torturing animals. There was a child (five years old!) that lived down the street for me that killed several animals, nothing was done, nobody cared. He was treated as if he was perfectly normal, made me furious! My mother has a friend she chats online with whose next door neighbor child killed her cat. The father found out & brought the young girl over to make her apologize. She said with a blank expression that she killed the cat because she wanted to know what it felt like. The day after 'apologizing' & on the way to school the girl saw my mothers friend in her front garden, she gave a dramatic wave & yelled "good morning!". That's enough to send chills down your spine. No remorse, no conscience. What do you do with children like this? It's demonic behavior.

The human abuse/animal abuse link has been widely documented.... I remember an article a while ago about a "problem child" who ended up having counselling.  He admitted to his counsellor he'd done some horrible things to the family pets and it came out no long after that he was being abused by his father....  and it wasn't an isolated case.  It could almost make you feel sorry for those 2 brothers, specualting what horrible things might have happened to them in their lifetime to make them so screwed up but it still comes down to personal choice, particularly at their age - you get to a point where you have to make a choice "I can do this or I can walk away" and you still have to carry responsibility for that choice.  The legal system does not seem to reflect that.

The thing that bothers me the most is the message the sentencing sends: property is still more valuable than a dog's life or well-being in our culture. I'd like to know what they stole that was considered twice as valuable as the destruction of a living animal.

Just a note on sentencing . . . . I don't practice in Georgia, but most (maybe all) states have statutory sentencing ranges -- meaning that the possible sentences for a certain crime are written into the law, and the judge has no (or very little) ability to devate from that. For example, where I live felonies are classified as A, B, C, etc. and for a B felony there is a range of possible sentences, including a maximum penalty. The judge can't give more than the law allows. So the judge here may have been just as appalled as we are by the cruelty of this, but at the same time may not have had the ability to issue a longer sentence than he did. So if you think that sentences should be longer for animal cruelty, your argument probably is with the legislature, not this particular judge.