Animal Communicators

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    Yes, it's a two-way thing and it takes practice (like 'hearing' your own baby and not letting yourself be 'fooled' by another child's cry.  Experience is such a big teacher.  (and here there are actually absorbent things you can put inside your bra to prevent those 'wet headlamps' -- a bit inconvenient, eh?? *smile*)

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    BEVOLASVEGAS

    She decided that she would do a “reading” on Bevo, even after I had informed her that Bevo was my personal dog.

    She informed me that Bevo had not been in rescue very long, 3-4 weeks at the most. (Bevo has lived with me for over 4 years.) She claimed that Bevo was still adjusting to being fed on a daily basis, because his previous owner only fed him every other day. (Bevo has eaten 2-3 times a day for the past 4 years.) Lastly, she announced that the “scars” on Bevo’s nose were the result of abuse from his previous owner. (Bevo is OCD. He compulsively straightens things with his nose. He swiped Shooter’s blanket a couple of weeks ago, & straightened it until his nose bled. His nose is healing well, but is still light colored.)

    I felt like I had to inform her that Bevo is, apparently, a compulsive liar, because none of her facts were correct.  She just shrugged her shoulders & said "Well that's what he told me."

    At this point, I believe that animal communicators are frauds. They are doing no more than selling “woo” to those who are willing to believe it.

    Yeah, and unfortunately the ones who 'come up to you' that way are desperate for attention and ARE frauds.  She obviously doesn't even LISTEN if you told her he was *your* dog and she's not even very dog saavy if she mistook a couple week old light 'scar' for 'abuse'.  Come on lady -- at least LOOK and make it LOGICAL!!!!!!

    And exactly what you're saying is what so many people expect.  I honestly just don't have ANY experience with people who do it for money (I don't watch TV - I have to be the only person on here who has never SEEN the "Animal Psychic" or Cesaer whatshisname.)

    In honesty, most of my own personal experience has been with animals who were pretty darned interested/desperate to communicate with ME.

    Foxy the Mostlie Sheltie was my biggest 'teacher'.  And he led ME thru the whole range from simply getting me to 'notice' his body language and behavior and then keeping at me until I 'got' what he was trying to say.  Literally he unlocked ME to try to 'hear' him. 

    I'm a bit dense this way sometimes -- but once I began to realize what was going on, and I got away from being scared of it, it became a lot of fun. 

    (I edited this -- I still expect this software to indicate to whom I am responding and it didn't.  Sorry!!! So I went back and stuck Bevo's quote back in)

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    BEVOLASVEGAS
    I had an experience yesterday, that has led me to believe that animal communicators are fraudulent, & seeking only money, or affirming their feelings of self importance.

    I agree that these people are everywhere. I think it's been mentioned several times that the vast majority of commercial animal communicators are "fake". It's an easy way to make bucks by faking someone out. So, a lot of slimy people are drawn to scamming by claiming they can talk to the animals or call themselves a modern-day Dr. Doolittle. The way I figure it... it's kind of like televangelists. There are a few out there who really care about people and are genuinely good and loving people spreading a message that's important to many. But, unfortunately, there's no way to prove them wrong, so the profession attracts slimeballs looking for an easy buck (or million).

    But that doesn't mean that they're ALL bad or frauds. And it's only a few % who are genuine. I don't blame you for doubting. If you haven't experienced a real animal communicator, then you're right to doubt.

    Chuffy, I read your first paragraph several times before I understood what you were saying. When I spit on my monitor (in laughter) it was a good thing I didn't have a mouthful of water! LOL  

    Anyway, I loved how you described "listening" because I think that's exactly what happens. It's like listening with my mind. I also agree that the bond makes it easier. I know there are people who read over a distance and I definitely think it's possible. And with practice, we could probably all do it. But I've never even tried it... Might be interesting.
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    I am on the fence about this......I would like to see something with my own eyes, and then I can decide if it's real or bogus....

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    I've been teaching a workshop on communicating with animals in one of my art and design classes. We're looking at a range of sensory experience in order to develop a full and rich sense of possibilities in redesigning shelter spaces.

    In addition to learning about animal perception through the likes of T-Touch, and the work of Temple Grandin, we've examined assumptions about human cognition through a study of speculations, like Turing tests and the Infinite Monkey Theorem.

    "In My Language" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc) is a short film by an autistic woman, AM Baggs. It's an incredibly powerful testament to the idea that there is so much that "we" don't know and understand regarding perception and cognition.

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    Callie - straying off topic just a little - Yes, I used to use them a lot till my milk levelled out.... I had no idea I would get triggered by another baby crying!  It was so embarassing.  I had to go round with my arms crossed.

    snownose... and any other skeptics or fence sitters - rather than wait and say you want to "see" proof - try opening your mind and see if you can experience it!  I mean, if this really IS an ability we are all born with which is buried deep early in our lives, if it really ISN'T a special, magical gift accessible by only a few.... then it shouldn't be that hard for the rest of us who have pets (or babies, ahem) to find out for ourselves.  We don;t need someone to give us "proof".  The proof could well be sitting under our noses the whole time!

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    hmm, i have never experienced this, but i would be interested in trying it out. still waiting on ratsicles to posts some excercises i could try. not that i believe it now, but IF this works, well that's just too cool to miss! i wonder though, if you can communicate with animals, can you also communicate with other people? it seems to make sense to me.... also, if some people are better at it than others, does the same go for animals?

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    Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. Ogre is going to his new home tomorrow and with all that involves I've been too busy to really sit down and post.

     

    I'll insert here that I truly think one of the reasons it's easier (and often less 'phoney';) to do this with your dog, than from human to human is simply because they (the animals) are more accepting and they don't have to analyze a thing into oblivion.

    I agree with you. Humans have so much going ON in their minds. We are constantly anylyzing jumping from one thought to another- our thoughts are like a horrible traffic jam on the highway of our minds. Most of us are also not USED to telepathic/intuitive communication- it's like that part of our brains is clogged up and blocked off and weak from lack of use. So trying to communicate telepathically with humans could, IMO, be difficult- but I do NOT think it's impossible.

    I like to think that there are two "levels" of telepathic communication. The first level, and the one that most untrained people experience, is where the most basic interactions occur. This is where you'll just be walking along one day, and then BAM- a thought from an animal flies into your head and punches you in the brain. You may hear a very clear voice in your head- "I'm thirsty," or a similar message. IF the animal is communicating to you very clearly, you CAN have entire conversations on this level. Especially if something is urgent and the animal really wants to give you the message. In my experience, when communicating in this level you're usually talking to the purely "animal" aspect of that animal- you'll see what I'm talking about in a second.

    The second level, takes practice. How much practice it takes is purely personal- some people "get it" right away, and some people have to practice for years. There was a period when I was a young teenager where I decided to block out ALL communication with animals and spirits. After about two years, when I decided to start doing it again, it was HARD. It took me a couple more years to get back to the point where I was before I stopped. Other people are able to start communicating on this level with almost no practice whatsoever, while it was insanely difficult for me when I attempted to relearn it. It's purely personal.

    Now, this is getting into some pretty hardcore spiritual stuff. Unfortunately, all I have are my OWN personal experiences to draw on here, so there's no real way to leave this stuff out- for me, animal communication ties GREATLY into my religion and spirituality, so there's no real way for me to explain this stuff without getting all "spiritual" on you guys. Just remember that these are my OWN experiences and beliefs, and you may do with them as you will. I'm not saying that I'm "right"- this is just what I have experienced through communicating with animals and spirits.

    So, the second level. On the second level, you are communicating with this animal's spirit/soul/whatever. The non-tangible form of this animal. On THIS level, you can ask the animal questions. You can find out about the animal's past, its likes and dislikes, and you can have really hardcore abstract discussions about the universe and whatever else you want to talk about. Most of you will probably wonder how a simple dog or cat or bumblebee can tell you about the universe- it's because at this point, you are not communicating with the "pure" animal anymore. You're not talking to Fluffy the dog anymore, you're talking to the spirit that is currently taking the form of Fluffy...does that make sense? See, spirits are infinite and can come into this life for any reason they choose. In my experience (again, that disclaimer) one spirit can inhabit MANY bodies at the same time if it so chooses.

    I'll use one of my current pets, Ovaltine, as an example of this. Ovaltine first came to me as a rat a few years ago. He turned out to be one of the most amazing spiritual guides and helpers I have ever had. He was basically a spiritual father figure for me. Without going into too much detail, he told me exactly when he would die well in advance, and he died exactly when he said he would. Okay. the entire time Ovaltine the rat was with me, I was also able to talk to Ovaltine the spirit. Ovaltine the spirit had a "piece" of himself in Ovaltine the rat- so they were the same- but they were also Ovaltine the Spirit. Ovaltine the rat was a big fatty that likes to eat cookies and laze in his hammock and chase other rat's tails. Ovaltine the SPIRIT was an amazing spiritual guide and figure of wisdom. They were each other- Ovaltine the rat was aware of his spiritual self (not all animals are) but he was also a rat- and rats like to eat and play and sleep alot. When you're talking to the animal itself, the physical animal and not the spiritual one- you're talking to the same spirit, but in different forms. The physical animal has physical things influencing its current personality and everything else. It has instincts and desires and sensations to deal with that the spiritual form doesn't have. Which is why if you talk to your dog AS YOUR DOG- you'll probably get something like "I LIKE TO CHASE BALLS YAY" whereas if you talk to your dog's in it's spirit form, you can get things as deep as "this will happen in your future, this is your destiny, here let me tell you about my past."....does any of this make sense?

    When Ovaltine the rat died, I continued communicating with his spirit. A year later, he sent a piece of himself back to me as a cat. One of my current cats is Ovaltine- he has given me signs over, and over again that this is the case. So you see, a spirit can inhabit MANY bodies.

    So to communicate on the second level- where all of the juicy good stuff happens- most people have to meditate. If you're familiar with lucid dreaming, this is similar- but any kind of meditation works. You basically need to achieve a state where your mind is PERFECTLY clear. This is easy for some people, but for me it was hell.

     

    Distance, sure. Over the phone after you've given your credit card number? Not so much. That's exploitation, at a minimum. More likely fraud. Anybody can talk to their dog. It's not a special power. Of course, I charge money for clipping toenails, and anybody can do that. I'm more than willing to show them how, though, because I believe that nail trimming is important for a dog's health. I dunno. I just find it.... distasteful.

    I've always found it distasteful too. I communicate with animals/nature/spirits for myself and for them. IF a friend who believes asks me to talk to their pets for some reason or another, I'll usually give it a shot, but I make no promises and I certainly never charge for it.

    There ARE though a few professional animal communicators out there who I do respect. Marta Williams is one of them and her books are AMAZING. I don't like the fact that she charges for her services, but she IS the real deal. However, she's NOT out there being dramatic and flaunting these abilities and running up to people on fairgrounds and "talking" to their dogs- she's not desperate to prove herself. I respect her, and she does have a wealth of knowledge about animal communication. But as I've said before, people like this- ones who charge money for their services AND happen to be the real thing- are very, very few and far between.

     

    This is a wild subject~ Speaking of wild, can you communicate with animals like bunnies on your lawn or birds? My old husky I think did with the gray squirrels.

    Yup. Although in my experience, most wild animals are not as open to communicating with humans. It's purely an individual thing though. Some will, some won't. You really can communicate with ANYTHING- trees and plants talk too. Heck, I have some wild ferns growing on my property that I go and sit under and have daily conversations with. They're amazing spirits. Rocks, whatever, even things that aren't "living" in the sense that we think of it have a sort of "resonance"...and if you can tune into their frequency, you can talk to them too. We're all made of the same stuff.

    I'm open to the idea, but very skeptical of people who claim they can telepathically talk to animals. I guess my issue is I haven't seen any real hardcore proof. For instance, I would love to see an animal communicator have a dog of their choosing perform basic commands using only their mind. To insure that of course the two would need to be blocked from eachother's vision, although since so many say they can do it over long distance that should be no problem in placing them in seperate rooms. If an animal and person can telepathically communicate than asking it to do simple comands it already knows for treats would seem like an easy way to prove it.

    That wouldn't be an easy way to prove it at all, and frankly, it would be a betrayal and exploitation of the trust an animal places in you by agreeing to speak with you.

    Look at it this way- you can speak english, right? Well then, by your logic, you SHOULD be able to go up to any english speaking human, give them a command, and they should immediately do it. If they don't immediately do it, then, by your logic, we must assume that not only can you not really speak english, but english as a language must not exist at all, correct?

    I get that question alot. "If you can talk to animals, why don't they all do exactly what you say?" Well if people can communicate with each other, why is there still violence? Divorce?

    Animals are JUST as diverse and opnionated as people. Many animals can be persueded to see things your way and do as you ask. Just like people, many are not willing to do that. To expect animals to be willing to bend to the will of any human just because we tell them to is another example of the arrogant, humanocentric attitude that humans have...and IMO, it needs to go away.

    Also, from a purely non-spiritual, training perspective- dogs are trained using voice commands and visual cues from humans. You MIGHT be able to train a dog to respond to commands telepathically- IF you had a dog that was open to the idea, which most wouldn't be (they would see it as almost blasphemous, to be honest) but you could not take a dog that was trained using voice commands and expect him to respond to you yelling "SIT!" in your head. It doesn't work that way. You can ask a dog telepathically to sit down. Like a human, whether it does it or not is up to the dog.

    The thing is, for ALOT of animal communicators, this stuff ties into their religious/spiritual beliefs. I would think that most of them (myself included) would not be interested in running around trying to "prove" this to people. If you went up to a christian and said "HEY. Unless you show me some tangible proof that your god exists, I refuse to believe in it." most Christians would probably respond with "Um...okay. Don't believe in it then?" It's the same with animal communicators. I'm not out here to prove myself to anyone. If you'd like to test animal communication, try it. And that doesn't mean give it one half-hearted shot and then call it all bunk, but actually sit down and practice for a while and see if you get results yourself. If that doesn't prove it to you, then nothing I, or anyone else can say will. These ideas are not for everyone, and that's fine. To each their own, I suppose.

    BEVOLASVEGAS, I'm sorry you had the experience that you had. Unfortunately, there are many idiot scam artists out there out to make a quick buck. But, to call all animal communicators fraudulent because you had a bad experience with one of these horrible people is a little offensive to me.

    If you went to a doctor who was an absolutely horrible doctor, would you then say "that has led me to believe that all doctors are fraudulent, & seeking only money, or affirming their feelings of self importance?" No? Then why do animal communicators get such harsh judgement?

    What do you say to someone like me who refuses money to talk to animals? That I'm affirming my feeling of self importance? Okay, well how about this- No one in my family knows that I do this. I told them once in HS and then never mentioned it again because of their reactions. Out of my friends, only TWO of them know, because I know they happened to be open to the idea. So, out of the people I know in real life, only THREE people know that I do this. The only one I talk about it regularly with is my husband, because he does it too.

    This doesn't make me feel important, because I firmly believe that everyone is able to do it. If I were only out to make myself feel important, why not make myself out to be a psychic and yammer about how special my "gifts" are?

    Okay, this post is long enough already. I'll go type up some exercises for people to try and post them later. That was alot of typing and I need a break. Stick out tongue

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    What a perfect thread!  I took Pepper to an AC this weekend at a trial to figure out what on earth is going on with her.  She has "sniffing" issues so bad.  We walked out of two of our 4 runs and almost the other two as well.

    The AC said it was stress and not soreness like I was thinking.  If anyone that says they can do this via email or phone wants to give a it a try and see, I'd be willing!!!
     

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    Amanda,

    I'm with you, but my line is, if they charge, I suspect...

    My story on why, is this:

    After there was some discussion on a forum I used to frequent, about an animal communicator, that was very good...knew in amazing details about this animal or that etc. Turns out they lurked on about every forum known to doG, kept detailed notes about various animals there and then under a fake ID dropped the amazing experiences they had with this communicator...herself. People flocked and she profited. Someone caught on at one forum and she abruptly left. But again..these days of internet savvy con people...IMO there are a ton of ways to know intimate details about people's animals...without a gift of any kind.

    I agree that all in the field shouldn't be condemned...but where the fee starts...my belief ends.

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    This is a wild subject~ Speaking of wild, can you communicate with animals like bunnies on your lawn or birds? My old husky I think did with the gray squirrels.

    Yup. Although in my experience, most wild animals are not as open to communicating with humans. It's purely an individual thing though. Some will, some won't. You really can communicate with ANYTHING- trees and plants talk too. Heck, I have some wild ferns growing on my property that I go and sit under and have daily conversations with. They're amazing spirits. Rocks, whatever, even things that aren't "living" in the sense that we think of it have a sort of "resonance"...and if you can tune into their frequency, you can talk to them too. We're all made of the same stuff.

     Actually, Jesus had that kind of description going on, didn't he?    I once saw a coyote while I was driving down a wooded street, and I stopped and opened my window.  He stopped and gave me a kind of a cool look, like a dog, and he turned back to his path trotting on his way.  I think that those creatures are more tame than they used to be around here due to the lack of forest anymore...  When there is interest and dependancy you probably have better communication in whatever manner you are able!

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    I read a neat book by Jane Smiley this summer called "A Year at the Races" in which she talks about her experiences with an animal communicator. It was really interesting!
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    Chuffy
    snownose... and any other skeptics or fence sitters - rather than wait and say you want to "see" proof - try opening your mind and see if you can experience it!  I mean, if this really IS an ability we are all born with which is buried deep early in our lives, if it really ISN'T a special, magical gift accessible by only a few.... then it shouldn't be that hard for the rest of us who have pets (or babies, ahem) to find out for ourselves.  We don;t need someone to give us "proof".  The proof could well be sitting under our noses the whole time!

     

    What I believe in is that some people have a natural given connection with animals, like call it a "Gift" if you will, just like some people are more in tune with humans than others.

    I kind of have a hard time believing we can all learn it by studying, if it was that easy, then why can't the ones who claim to have this ability find out what ails the animals that surround them?

    Chuffy, I had to laugh at your wet headlights.....lol, don't you think that hearing that baby cry was an association with hearing your own baby cry?

    When I was child I was plaqued with chronic tonsilities, and I ate chicken soup alot(before my veggie days, lol), it got to the point that I could NOT smell the stuff anymore, without having the urge to barf, now in my adult years, all it takes is just a wiff, and I get gag reflexes....my point behind this is.....simple association of any experience, be it good or bad.

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    Ratsicles
    Telepathic communication can be done over large distances. I've spoken to people's animals over the phone, through e-mail,

     

    Some things can be proven scientifically.  For example, we can scientifically demonstrate that people need water in order to survive.  Things that are believed but cannot be scientifically proven are referred to as faith.  The belief in God is an example of faith.  It seems to me that it would be much easier to demonstrate an ability to communicate with animals than it would be to prove the existance of God.

    Ratsicles, you say you are an animal communicator.  You say you can do this over the phone or through email.  Let me be clear.  I don't believe it.  And so I will challenge you to prove me wrong.  All of the risk is mine.  All it requires from you is a little time.  My challenge to you is this.  You contact Odie through email or by phone, whichever you prefer.  You have Odie tell you who fed him this morning and where he slept last night and, if you are accurate, I will give you $100.  I extend the same challenge to anyone on the forum.

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    Billy, I'm not in this to prove anything to anyone. I don't offer animal communication as a service, this is simply something that I do by myself, with my own animals, as part of a practice of my faith. If you don't believe in it, that's perfectly fine.

    For me to accept that kind of "challenge" would be going against alot of my personal beliefs, so I can't do that. I know you'll probably just say "SEE, HA, you can't do it!" and that's fine.

    I'm sure there are "animal communicators" out there who would love to take you up on your "challenge." I'd try one of them if you're really curious.

    I'm participating in this thread solely to provide interested people with info on MY experiences with animal communication- not to prove to people that it works/exists. If that "proves" to you that I'm pulling all of this stuff out of my butt, than so be it. These ideas aren't for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that.

    Again, my reccomendation for anyone who is skeptical? Practice a bit, and try it yourself.  Smile My husband didn't believe in *any* of this stuff until he tried it. His opinions did a 180 after he had some pretty convincing experiences.