heard of a new "breed" today

They look very different to me. And that photo is only one example of the goldendoodle, I'm sure they dont all look the same.

 
LOL, that's exactly our point! Why pay a breeder for a completely unpredictable outcome? If people aren't picky about coat types or temperaments they can adopt a mix for a fraction of the cost and save a life at the same time.

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ORIGINAL: ottoluv

Whats wrong with that if thats the kind of dog they like?

Now that's actually an interesting question that got me thinking. How do they know they like this type of dog? Now when I got otto, I did lots of research, I looked at many breeds and picked the one that fit my needs/desires. That's one of the arguments for getting a purebreed dog, you generally know what you are getting yourself into. I'm not sure how you could with these designer dogs. The "breeders" will advertize all these traits they pull from the breed standards of both, but how could they possibly know what will be passed on or to put it another way, which traits are dominant? The truth is, they don't know what they like about that "breed", they bought into the hype. Now, if goldendoodles had been around for 100 years and had a breed standard and were well established, maybe. The one that is getting one soon said, they are great, they have the hypoallergenic coat of a poodle but the personality of a golden retriever. Ok again, these are surgeons, they should know better, we all took genetics. There is no way you can guarantee only good traits will be passed along. And again, someone with a perfect golden who fits the breed standard in everyway with a ch would be unlikely to allow a breeding with a poodle righ?

That is just pure ignorance on the part of the buyer.  Before I adotped my Pug-zu I thoroughly researched BOTH breeds and made sure I would be happy with whatever combination of traits came from the mix.

ORIGINAL: JRTmom

They look very different to me. And that photo is only one example of the goldendoodle, I'm sure they dont all look the same.

LOL, that's exactly our point! Why pay a breeder for a completely unpredictable outcome? If people aren't picky about coat types or temperaments they can adopt a mix for a fraction of the cost and save a life at the same time.

If they can find a mix of the two breeds they want, they probably would.  If they can't find the mix they want, they go to a breeder. 

ORIGINAL: heidandseek

ORIGINAL: Lilea
They look very different to me.  And that photo is only one example of the goldendoodle, I'm sure they dont all look the same.

You are right Lilea doodles will not all look the same as they are a mixed breed.  But the look they are trying to achieve is the look of the wheaten.
So which of these dogs is the wheaten can you tell?

Do they not have different personality traits?

They do, however, as has been already said you can't know what a labradoodle's personality is going to be.  There's not a 'standard' personality as there is so much variation. 

Why am I getting into this again?
 
My problem with "designer" dogs AKA purposely mixed dogs is the same problem I have with back yard breeders.
 
I belong to a list that is full of responsible Dalmatian breeders & show people. A lot also do rescue. It's relatively easy to tell a poorly bred dal from a well bred Dal. These rescuers forward ANY dalmatian on that looks like it could have come from a responsible breeder onto the list. The people on the list check their puppy photos extensively (I cant stress that enough, they spend hours looking to see if the dog might be theirs). When the breeder is found, the dog is immediatly pulled and shipped/picked up by the breeder period. The dog stays with the breeder until it can be rehomed or it stays with them forever.
 
Okay, so a "labradoodle" or  "pugzu" breeder or BYB sees one of it's dogs in the shelter, do you know what they will do? The dog will sit there until it is adopted or dies. Why? Because it is about the $ to them. I have yet to hear of any designer dog breeder who truly cares about the dogs.
 
Another difference: You buy from a responsible breeder, they will always no matter what take the dog back. Even if you are tired of the dog because you dont like what color it is anymore, a responsible breeder will take the dog back.
 
Designer breeder/BYB-you're out of luck. They dont care, no refunds, no returns.
 
Responsible breeders breed for certain characteristics. They breed for quality and not money. Quite a few of them are involved in rescue as well.
 
And you know what is going to happen? Designer dogs will go "out of style" and guess who gets to clean up the mess?? Yup, shelters & rescues.
 
There's a rescue for these mixes:
 
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Check out their "urgent" dogs. Yup, those dogs are probably going to die. Yet everyone wants a "labradoodle". People are spending $2000+ to get one while they are dying in shelters. (even the puppies)
 
 

ORIGINAL: Laurelin_429

They do, however, as has been already said you can't know what a labradoodle's personality is going to be.  There's not a 'standard' personality as there is so much variation. 

Yes, I know, I read that when the other people posted it.
As long as someone is willing to accept traits from both breeds there wouldnt be a problem.  Just like I was willing to accept whatever mix of traits I would get with my pug-zu.
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If someone is looking for a puppy and is willing to accept a short high-shedding coat or a low-shedding curly coat; a quiet demeanor or extreme amounts of energy; a dominant personality or a shy, submissive temperament then they don't need to pay a BYB to find something that suits their needs! Shelters are full of dogs that easily fit into that wide range of potential outcomes.

As long as someone is willing to accept traits from both breeds there wouldnt be a problem. 

That's unfortunately not how genetics works, you won't get a mix of the two. Some traits are dominant, some recessive, some influence each other and will have totally unpredictable outcome since the traits of the two breeds are so different. The point is you can't research both and know what you are getting. Pure breed lines have predictable outcomes as they have been breed a really long time. Some traits which are recessive may be there but never show up because they are influenced by something else that a different breed of dog has. Genetics is far to complicated to simplify it like that, if that were true, you could guess what your kids would look like and act like as they will be a mixture of both parents traits/appearance and everyone knows that just isn't the case. It's kinda like heidi klum having kids with steven hawkings and saying their kids would be gorgeous and smart when they could just as easily turn out ugly and dumb!

ottoluv your post impress me more every time I read one.  Kudo's to you

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ORIGINAL: ottoluv

As long as someone is willing to accept traits from both breeds there wouldnt be a problem. 

That's unfortunately not how genetics works, you won't get a mix of the two. Some traits are dominant, some recessive, some influence each other and will have totally unpredictable outcome since the traits of the two breeds are so different. The point is you can't research both and know what you are getting. Pure breed lines have predictable outcomes as they have been breed a really long time. Some traits which are recessive may be there but never show up because they are influenced by something else that a different breed of dog has. Genetics is far to complicated to simplify it like that, if that were true, you could guess what your kids would look like and act like as they will be a mixture of both parents traits/appearance and everyone knows that just isn't the case. It's kinda like heidi klum having kids with steven hawkings and saying their kids would be gorgeous and smart when they could just as easily turn out ugly and dumb!

Thats exactly why I said they would have to be willing to accept any combination of the traits of both breeds being mixed.

Also with some mixes (intentional or otherwise) you get a very unfortunate interaction of traits. Take the "puggle", a mix of pug and beagle. Two dogs from totally different groups (a lot of mixes are two dogs from the same group--a labradoodle is two dogs from the sporting dog group, a pug-zu is two dogs from the companion group). Pugs are brachycephalic and can have trouble breathing in extremes of temperature or after too much exertion. Beagles are working dogs and have boundless energy and a desire to run and follow their noses. You can see where you can get in to trouble here. A dog with a boundless desire to run paired with a dog who will pass out and die if it exerts itself too much because of it's physical structure. Are all puggles going to have this problem? No, it's a genetic lottery. But some will. Some puggles have quite long snouts that eliminate the brachycephalism problems. But don't don't. Some puggles don't have much of a beagle's energy. But some do.

ORIGINAL: Lilea 
Thats exactly why I said they would have to be willing to accept any combination of the traits of both breeds being mixed.

but what happens to the pups that aren't what they were suppose to be.  The one that is not cute or not bright.  Where does that pup end up.  You may have researched the two breeds and said ok I can handle all that but now I have the ugliest freakiest looking dog I have ever seen.  And to top it off he ended up with some recessive stuff that came on.  So where does that pup go?  The one the breeder couldn't sell because it ended up with the worst traits of both breeds?
 
Have you ever been to a puppy auction?  the place irresponsible breeders take their rejects?  it is very sad and no better than ending up at a shelter.
 
I read your post about spaying your dog and I was so proud of your decision.  It seemed like you truly understood the importance of spaying and neutering.   But now I am wondering why you spayed your dog?  You seem to be in support of byb's and mixes being bred which no one who respects ethical breeders could ever support.