GRAPHIC THREAD-IT IS AN ASSAULT ON THE SOUL~ FUMING MAD!!

ORIGINAL: jones

Thank you for the warnings about graphic content, there is nothing worse than accidentally watching something so horrifying.

I watched the first video (with cursor hovering over the X close window button) but would rather not see the second. I know less than nothing about military training but this makes me wonder if we should take a closer look at the side effects of training people to kill. Animal torture is one of the characteristic behaviors of sociopaths and serial killers... very disturbing to think about.

My thoughts exactly jones.  Were these nutters screwed up before they joined up and thats why the military attracted them?  Or was it something to do with the training.... when you hear some of the horror stories about military training, the abuse and brainwashing it does make you wonder.

I signed but could not bring myself to watch the videos.  Thank you for the warning.

My thoughts exactly jones. Were these nutters screwed up before they joined up and thats why the military attracted them? Or was it something to do with the training.... when you hear some of the horror stories about military training, the abuse and brainwashing it does make you wonder.

 
My Dad retired from the Army, and DH was in the Army for 7 years.
It's not so much the training ,as it is the situation they are in at the time, and most people who would act like that are cruel to begin with.

It is a pretty proven fact that serial killers, spouse and child  abusers start by abusing and torturing animals.  I wouldn't be too comfortable living next to someone that took part in that kind of behavior.  

ORIGINAL: hound

 
When do men learn to grow up. Just because your a soldier doesnt give you the right to do what ever you want. Your duty is to seek justice and protect the but instead they spend their time tormenting a helpless animal. This footage was just a glimspe into what they are doing. Many more animals and most likely humans as well are being d by these soldiers. The United States should be ashamed that their army is represented by such disgusting humans. And it casts serious doubt on what kind of nation is allowing their army to do such things. If thier soldiers can't do their job then get them out of there and find them something better to do with their time. I thought they were in their to fight ism but instead they are the ists themselves.

This is not a "men vs women" thing.  Nor anything of that nature. 

This is the reality folks.  This is what happens to our young americans when they are in war.  These are guys that see their friends get blown to bits, sometimes they're wiping pieces of their friends off their own faces.  These are guys that are constantly under the threat of . 

Is it horrible?  Yes.

Is it pitiful?  Yes.

Is it avoidable?  No. 

Go ahead and flame me, at this point I don't care.  But I will not sit and judge or talk about sending emails to these guy's families.  What a crock.  They are there doing a horrible horrible job that they've been asked to do.  They are under constant threat of doom.  They have had to harden themselves and become as emotionless as possible-in order to do that very job that they are being asked to do. 

If you want to send an email to someone, send it to George Bush.  Don't belittle these guys.  They're going to need all the psychological help that they can get, just to get the "War" out of their head.  Don't be so outraged at these guys.  If you want to be outraged, be outraged at the war.  Let this be your own little ASPCA type of warning that war affects the minds and bodies of everyone it touches.  War does horrible things to humans and humans do horrible things in war.

If you want to send an email to someone, send it to George Bush.

 
Not to get too political here, but send e-mails to all the representatives who voted for this, not just George Bush.
 
War is an ugly thing, we need to support our troops, they need all the support they can get.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

ORIGINAL: hound


When do men learn to grow up. Just because your a soldier doesnt give you the right to do what ever you want. Your duty is to seek justice and protect the but instead they spend their time tormenting a helpless animal. This footage was just a glimspe into what they are doing. Many more animals and most likely humans as well are being d by these soldiers. The United States should be ashamed that their army is represented by such disgusting humans. And it casts serious doubt on what kind of nation is allowing their army to do such things. If thier soldiers can't do their job then get them out of there and find them something better to do with their time. I thought they were in their to fight ism but instead they are the ists themselves.

This is not a "men vs women" thing.  Nor anything of that nature. 

This is the reality folks.  This is what happens to our young americans when they are in war.  These are guys that see their friends get blown to bits, sometimes they're wiping pieces of their friends off their own faces.  These are guys that are constantly under the threat of . 

Is it horrible?  Yes.

Is it pitiful?  Yes.

Is it avoidable?  No. 

Go ahead and flame me, at this point I don't care.  But I will not sit and judge or talk about sending emails to these guy's families.  What a crock.  They are there doing a horrible horrible job that they've been asked to do.  They are under constant threat of doom.  They have had to harden themselves and become as emotionless as possible-in order to do that very job that they are being asked to do. 

If you want to send an email to someone, send it to George Bush.  Don't belittle these guys.  They're going to need all the psychological help that they can get, just to get the "War" out of their head.  Don't be so outraged at these guys.  If you want to be outraged, be outraged at the war.  Let this be your own little ASPCA type of warning that war affects the minds and bodies of everyone it touches.  War does horrible things to humans and humans do horrible things in war.

Thank you Xerxes!  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Until those of you who judge the soldiers have been through what THEY've been through, well then you can go ahead and judge.  War changes people and I am completely disgusted at Bush for putting the soldiers through this mess.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes
Go ahead and flame me, at this point I don't care.  But I will not sit and judge or talk about sending emails to these guy's families.  What a crock.  They are there doing a horrible horrible job that they've been asked to do.  They are under constant threat of doom.  They have had to harden themselves and become as emotionless as possible-in order to do that very job that they are being asked to do. 

If you want to send an email to someone, send it to George Bush.  Don't belittle these guys.  They're going to need all the psychological help that they can get, just to get the "War" out of their head.  Don't be so outraged at these guys.  If you want to be outraged, be outraged at the war.  Let this be your own little ASPCA type of warning that war affects the minds and bodies of everyone it touches.  War does horrible things to humans and humans do horrible things in war.

 
ok yes i do see the terror the war has on these men and women and i know that some things are unavoidable. But these soldiers be it men or women had and made the choice to fight. In a way that is incredibly heroic of them but we know how terrible this war is. We see the many come home in wooden boxes and the family that mourns for them. So why do the majority join then? What is in it for them? They say this is a war on terrorism but are those women and children dead terrorists or just unavoidable tragedies. I know that this falls on the leaders whether it be the generals or presitdent. But NOTHING has changed. This war has gone on for years with no real outcome. I know its heart retching to hear of all the people dying fighting for their nation. I watch the news and honustly my heart and sympathies go out to the families that have lost. i also understand that once you get into the army it is very hard to get out. Basically they have control of you once you join they can deploy you whenever they want. But when is it going to end. its sad really. but we all have a choice to do the better right or wrong. We all have the choice and no matter what NO ONE can take away your choice.
 I think that this is avoidable. Just because your in a bad situation doesnt give you the right to do bad things and get enjoyment out of it. I wouldnt dream of sending emails to these guys families this has nothing to do with their mothers, fathers, spouses, children, and siblings but everything to do with them as a person. Just overall its frustrating
and im going to stop.
No matter how much ranting we do it will change nothing. its depressing.
I just hope that everything works out in the end. I hope that these people can come home to their families. I hope that the death stops

Thank you Xerxes!  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Until those of you who judge the soldiers have been through what THEY've been through, well then you can go ahead and judge.  War changes people and I am completely disgusted at Bush for putting the soldiers through this mess.

 
My husband has been through what they have been through, and he thinks they should be harshly punished.
 

 

[][][]That is soooo sad, i was in tears, like someone else already said the part that is sad is that they find it amusing, and funny.Sometimes I wonder why humans even exist[&o]

ORIGINAL: iluvyulots

I just sent it to ABC News myself. This is despicable conduct, not worthy of an officer, a gentleman, or a citizen of this Country. These idiots are certainly not representative of the finest military in the world, and they need to be punished, and dishonorably discharged from the service. No one who does this to a defenseless dog (are they now enemy combatants??) should receive any GI benefits whatsoever.

Unfortunately yes over in the sandboxes everything should be looked at very suspiciously.  DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT AN TERRORIST WILL DO TO KILL ANY AMERICAN?  They will and have put bomb is cats, dogs, cows and goats not to mention in the middle of roads, on the side of roads, in cars etc...,   I'm not saying that what these guys did was right because it wasn't, but the point I'm trying to make is that fact that if every U.S. personal went and picked up that cute little kitty or went and etted that pretty dog, or went over to help that sick looking animal they just might end up dead.  Might I also mention they really are not suppose to uses there guns unless they are fired upon first.  Also not ALL are military are like this, but I'm afraid at least from this thread most of you think they are or maybe the word "some" just needed to be use instead of "our".  I have more to say but for the moderators sake I'll keep all my thoughts on certain other comments to myself I really don't feel like arguing.  I'm sadden by this thread not only about the video, but also by some of the comment that have been made.  

Also thank you "CITA" for a very well put post.

Well, my generation lived through the Viet Nam era, too, and I know that bombs were strapped to small children there.  However, most soldiers don't kill children because they know that crap happens.  They do their jobs and risk their lives and come home heroes, whether they are acknowledged as such or not.  These individuals did not have to do what they did, causing pain and suffering.  They could simply have put the poor dog out of its obvious misery and climbed back in their Striker or Humvee.  But, instead, they chose to stone the dog, laugh about it (that was really despicable IMHO) and smile for the freakin' camera.  Not exactly living up to the reputation of "The Greatest Generation" or any other proud military tradition.   And, frankly, if war has changed them, they need to be discharged on a psych discharge, not allowed to continue to make us look bad in the civilized world by doing this stuff and then recording it.  No wonder Leslie's hubby is offended by their conduct - and he has certainly earned that right.

  I think that this is avoidable. Just because your in a bad situation doesnt give you the right to do bad things and get enjoyment out of it. I wouldnt dream of sending emails to these guys families this has nothing to do with their mothers, fathers, spouses, children, and siblings but everything to do with them as a person. Just overall its frustrating

You make a very good point, but this isn't about the "right to do" but rather the desensitization that occurs when one fights a war.  These young men and women are put in harms way 24/7.  They have been asked to do that which they've been told is wrong their whole lives:  take the lives of other humans.  When this particular more is made circumstantial and a norm, how can it not affect the rest of the morals of that person. 

Even you, I'm sure, hold the life of a human more sacred than the life of a dog.  If a human is tasked to see the lives of other humans as disposable, what do you think the life of a dog means to them? 

It's not about having the Right.  It's about war, plain and simple.  War turns things inside out.  Morals get thrown out of the window the first time you aim, squeeze the trigger, and fire rounds downrange at enemy combatants.  If that's not enough, after they  are hit, the Marine, soldier, airman or sailor is also tasked with checking out the body-to see the very gore and harm that they have caused. 

There was a study done at Stanford (I think) University in the early 70's or late 60's in which a dozen or so college students were taken and put into the roles of prisoner and prison guard.  This study or experiment, if you like, was supposed to last a week or so.  It was cancelled after a few days because the participants had progressed into their roles much more quickly than had been thought.  See this [linkhttp://www.prisonexp.org/]link[/link]

How does this study relate to the situation in the video?   All moral precepts have been disintegrated.  These are kids.  Most of them aren't even old enough to drink legally.  Their minds are fragile still and they've been socialized into one of the worst possible situations that exists.  Yes they threw stones at a helpless dog.  They've also seen helpless children get blown up by IEDs.  The atrocities of war aren't limited to injuries inflicted by humans on humans, they also include dogs, cats, fowl, fish, and anything else that has ever breathed life.

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ORIGINAL: Xerxes

  I think that this is avoidable. Just because your in a bad situation doesnt give you the right to do bad things and get enjoyment out of it. I wouldnt dream of sending emails to these guys families this has nothing to do with their mothers, fathers, spouses, children, and siblings but everything to do with them as a person. Just overall its frustrating

You make a very good point, but this isn't about the "right to do" but rather the desensitization that occurs when one fights a war.  These young men and women are put in harms way 24/7.  They have been asked to do that which they've been told is wrong their whole lives:  take the lives of other humans.  When this particular more is made circumstantial and a norm, how can it not affect the rest of the morals of that person. 

Even you, I'm sure, hold the life of a human more sacred than the life of a dog.  If a human is tasked to see the lives of other humans as disposable, what do you think the life of a dog means to them? 

It's not about having the Right.  It's about war, plain and simple.  War turns things inside out.  Morals get thrown out of the window the first time you aim, squeeze the trigger, and fire rounds downrange at enemy combatants.  If that's not enough, after they  are hit, the Marine, soldier, airman or sailor is also tasked with checking out the body-to see the very gore and harm that they have caused. 

There was a study done at Stanford (I think) University in the early 70's or late 60's in which a dozen or so college students were taken and put into the roles of prisoner and prison guard.  This study or experiment, if you like, was supposed to last a week or so.  It was cancelled after a few days because the participants had progressed into their roles much more quickly than had been thought.  See this [linkhttp://www.prisonexp.org/]link[/link]

How does this study relate to the situation in the video?   All moral precepts have been disintegrated.  These are kids.  Most of them aren't even old enough to drink legally.  Their minds are fragile still and they've been socialized into one of the worst possible situations that exists.  Yes they threw stones at a helpless dog.  They've also seen helpless children get blown up by IEDs.  The atrocities of war aren't limited to injuries inflicted by humans on humans, they also include dogs, cats, fowl, fish, and anything else that has ever breathed life.

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Today the services are all volunteer,  Everyone knows what they are getting into and if they can't take it, and start lashing out at other people and animals , then they probably have problems that would have surfaced in civilian life as well.  That is  no excuse to act like these creeps  did.  

I don't think anyone considers it an "excuse." I can't believe anyone on this forum would support that sort of behavior towards humans or animals. But the fact remains it's far too easy for us to sit here comfortably on our computers and pass judgement on people who are facing mind-shatteringly horrible conditions on a daily basis.

...if war has changed them, they need to be discharged on a psych discharge, not allowed to continue to make us look bad in the civilized world by doing this stuff and then recording it.

I agree completely. Our role is to call for more care and attention to such matters so that they don't happen again - to humans or animals. I think if anyone is criticized it should be the system that quietly allows such acts of sadistic violence. These men need psychiatric help, not judgement from non-combatants back home.

very, very sad! humans kind has no limits to how kind they can be of heart they can be or to how cruel they can be. The sad part is that I think the cruel people are starting to out number the kind people.[]