Help! We are bruised and scratched

Marvin looks so innocent!  I have no help for you unless you have already established a "leave it" command with Marvin...and, even so, I am completely understanding of the fact that hounds will be obedient when you are right there, and pretty independent when you're not! []
Sorry, but you probably would have had to have done some training before this event.  Just keep them separated when you can't watch them - ten days will go by faster than you think. []
At least you didn't have the dog from he&& that I did.  When Sequoyah got spayed, and had to wear the collar, she became a piranha food guarder!!!  I did the Jean Donaldson protocol on her while she was in the collar! [sm=rofl.gif]

The dogs are never together without me being present.  Marvin is engaging Newt in one of two ways, get the ball that Newt has his mouth or tug-a-war.  When he does tug-a-war and I give him the command he leaves it.  You are correct in that in my presence the hound is very obedient.  But it only takes a few seconds to put bite marks in the cone or misshape it.  The biggest disruption is Newt just walking around.
 
Isn#%92t there another product out there that is less intrusive, hurtful to others, and sturdy enough to stay.  Newt has to be alone in his kennel all day Monday so I need something very reliable because he will have all day to figure out how to get it off.
 
By the way, Marvin is taking a clicker class starting on January 7th for an 8 week course.  You don#%92t realize the effort I had to go through and the time (since October) to find a training course in the Chicago area that took place on Saturday or Sunday.  I went through all the names on Truly Dog Friendly site and also ClickerTeachers.  These +R only trainers are in high demand and they make their own hours.  Also this place hinted to me they were not comfortable with Newt going through their course because of his Pit mix.  They were also hesitant with Marvin because of his SA.  Newt got enrolled in a class but not in a Clicker course.  I am told training will be a gentle method…but I feel I had to settle.

Keep in mind that the trainer doesn't know your dog, and there is probably a huge problem with not-so-nice Pits in a major metro area like Chicago.  Often, trainers will take Pit pups in training, but are reluctant with older dogs, not so much because they can't train them, but because they may not be appropriate in a group class, either because they do have dog aggressive tendencies, are of an age when the "switch" could still go off, or because the other members of the class might be extremely nervous (it drives business away).  If your dog is social with dogs he does not know, as well as with your hound, and you want to progress in your training, let the instructor know that.
I'm inclined to think that your trainer is trying to preserve safety for all, not that he/she is breed prejudiced, if it makes you feel any better.
Don't forget, training classes are really to train the humans.  There's nothing that says you can't go to class and come home and train your Pittie the same way you train your hound. []

DPU, I remember at least one thread where someone was having problems with a satellite collar and they sewed a quilted version, here's the link:
http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=184073&mpage=2&key=satellite%2Ccollar

It seems like I remember another one about using a towel, but I couldn't find that one.

I know the one you mean, I couldn't find the original, but found a subsequent thread referring to it.  [linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=210242]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=210242[/link]

Also, I saved the picture from the OP, just in case I have an emergency and need to fashion one:

Ah yes, ladiebug, that's the oneI was thinking of! Good detective work!

Bite not collars.
 
[linkhttp://www.bitenot.com/]http://www.bitenot.com/[/link]
 
I like the bitenot collar better than cone, but depending on where the owie is and how limber the dog is, sometimes the cones work better.  Bitenots seem more comfortable and the dog still has his periferal vision.  Also when our lab was doing the cone-head thing, I had bruises on the back of my legs from her running into me.  And she liked to scoop up snow in the cone.  Bitenot collar would not allow her to do either.

I have no useful advice, but thanks for the great laughs!!! Those pictures of Newt and his beat-up satellite dish are hysterical!!
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Newt is modeling the latest in eyewear protection.  To stiffen and bulk the neck Newt is wearing 3 GD size 3” leather collars.  The purpose of the oversized collars is to not restrict the airways and protect the neck from sudden bumps.  Keeping the collars in place Newt chose a light brown wool sweater sleeve.  To top off the ensemble, a blue donut pillow is used and placed behind the collars fitting snuggly on the shoulder and chest.  With the stiff neck protection Newt can not bite the pillow and with the pillow extending outwards, Newt can not scratch his eye with his rear leg.

I had to take that e-collar off because of all the banging on Newt's neck started causing breathing problems.  He started gagging and doing non productive coughs.  The Bite Collars or wrapping a towel wouldn't work because without the pillow he was able to scratch his eye with his back paw.  He was also able to rub the eye on the ground.   I had to improvise but this seems to work.

Wow,  I think you are really smart to come up with than ingenious a solution.  That really took some figuring.  Hope it keeps working.  What about when you are gone to work?  Could the blue pillow work its way up and get caught over his mouth?

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Wow,  I think you are really smart to come up with than ingenious a solution.  That really took some figuring.  Hope it keeps working.  What about when you are gone to work?  Could the blue pillow work its way up and get caught over his mouth?

 
I need the pillow to be low on the neck so Newt can't get at it with his front paws and slip it off.  Thats why I bulk up the front part of the neck so it is larger than the donut hole.  Based on your comment I may attach the pillow to a Easy Walker harness that I just got the other day.

Wow, that's a great idea DPU!  Very ingenious.  I have a bite-not collar and they are much better than the e-collars, except as you said, they don't prevent access to the face area.  But that pillow looks much more comfortable than the bite-not collar. Your idea to attach the donut to a harness is a good one.  I'm not sure if you've actually seen a bite-not collar, but they use the same premise...a strap to keep the collar low on the neck and preventing it from being pulled forward over the head.  [color=#000000]I'm attaching a pic showing the bite-not strap in case you haven't seen it.  It goes behind the front legs and has a quick-release catch.  erhaps you could make a strap like this if the harness doesn't work out.  Get well wishes sent out to Newt.[/color]

I know its not funny but that top picture with newt posing for the camera and marvin looking like "I'm an angel - really" has got me LOL[sm=rotfl.gif]
I admire you for all that you do for your dogs - fosters and your own.  I was glad to see that newt had found a temp home at the least
God bless

Thanks for the real life picture of the Bite Not Collar.  Bite Not collars are made of flexible plastic and foam.  Does that mean they are bendable?  Are they barrel shaped and not restrictive to the neck.  Your pics make it look that way but the ad shows them around the neck as pretty snug. 

Newt has a terrible cough from the e collar banging into his neck and probably not getting enough water.  At this time I do not want anything binding around his neck.  The 3 leather collars are stiff and oversized and stay on the neck when wrapped in a sweater sleeve.  That wasn't enough to prevent him from getting to the eye.  See my pics below.  He is a lot more comfortable now with the pillow and that pillow is firm between his shoulders and the leather collars.