why i didn't buy from a "reputable" breeder

it is too bad dog adotion wasnt at least half as hard as human baby adotion...in the first few years its unlikely a human baby in the wrong hands will bite,maim or kill another animal(humans animals too).it takes a few more years for that..

If someone is not willing to go through the adoption process, why should the breeder expect them to take proper care of the dog?
 
Absolutely.
 
And if someone is offended to the point that they hold a grudge, resent being asked "so many questions" and not being told "how much" right away, or they felt they were being judged having to fill out a questionaire...well that kind of personality isn't someone I wouldn't get along with anyhow...
 
and I, sure as shootin, need to get along with someone and vice versa....for a puppy to go their new home.

faramir - good points you have made

MhadDog-
Maybe I read this wrong but when you said ( accidental litters is something else, but those ought to be few and far between ).

Who are you talking about?

I hope not reputable breeders as they should have complete control of their dogs not to have a accidental litter or I guess I would have to say that they aren`t a reputable breeder.

Us common folk that just have a family pet - shouldn`t they be fixed as so they can`t breed.
 
Shelters - I know not here.
 
BYBs - can`t be them as they breed breed breed to make the money.

Who are you pertaining to?

Rescue groups - shelters - I know some that won`t adopt out of their state. Why is this? Isn`t a home a home? I think they should open up their boarders and maybe they would find more homes for these dogs.

I understand where faramir is coming from in regards to the difficulties of buying from a responsible breeder (been there, done that). I also understand that breeders aren't in the business of providing the world with puppies. So where are people like me, who do not feel they have the expertise to handle the health or behavioural problems that might come from a rescue dog, suppose to go? If someone like Gina can't or won't provide me with a puppy, can you really criticize me for turning to a BYB or pet store?

There are circumstances where a dog owner had an escape  or other such circumstance where there dog hadnt been spayed yet and it got pregnant...accidents like this ought to be few and far between(geographically speaking)but it does happen...in this case,what are your options?abort the pups or find them good homes...chances are you will not be able to sell them,and i dont believe in a shelter if you can take responsibility to find a good home,since you were reponsible for the pups anyway,accident or not..

  then there are the BYB who have"accidental" litters.I have heard people say they were accidents,and then have another litter a year later.no accident.how can you classify this as anything but a scam...I have seen this and thier dogs in the rescue organizations and local pounds...these people are out there,and the pups that cant be sold are either given away,laft to a shelter or taken for a ride..I hope it isnt all that common,but like i stated,it has happened here..

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ORIGINAL: MhadDog

Would you buy from a breeder who was very willing to please,polite,friendly,and didnt do any kind of check to see if you would be right for this dog.You may be,but without doing a check on you,it makes it easier to have another litter,and another,and send out dogs to many people who will not provide a good home..

Or would you buy from a not as friendly person who wanted to see your home,meet your family,know your vet,and offered refunds for spay or nuetering?tThis would be my pic."

By getting a dog from a shelter,you may not get papers,and you may get a special needs dog,but i feel better knowing i saved a life,and it feels good to help a dog get over his behaviour problems

Just a speculation, but I would suspect the "friendly" backyard breeder might not be so friendly after the sale, if there were problems.
Actually, it's surprising how many papered animals end up at shelters (or as seen in another current thread, offered for free).. As for behavior problems, I think that's a big hurdle that shelters and rescues need to overcome, or should I say the "perception" of problems. Most of the dogs in rescues and shelters are there for a bad fit between them and the owner, the owner's didn't know how to handle normal dog behavior. But some people think that shelter dogs are "damaged goods" and steer clear.

I just had a client tell me that the breeder they bought from won't give them the time of day now that their 7 month old Golden Retriever has two severely dysplastic hips and needs $7,000 worth of surgery to correct it. 
Perhaps a reputable breeder would have the decency to at least refund the purchase price, once given proof of the pup's situation.  While most breeders will take the pup back, the byb will most probably just euth it, and would you really want that to happen to a dog that you now love???  These people are heartbroken, because they just got done, last year, spending thousands to help their old dog, who has since died.  The bank accounts are dwindled down, and they are desperate to help this pup.  They say that the "breeder" will never get this dog back.  But, she will get a whole lot of bad word of mouth.

For those who don't want to deal with a similar scenario, a reputable breeder, or a shelter with a sound behavioral evaluation program, are two great places to get a dog. 

Truthfully, one reason I never became a breeder was that I would die before giving my pups to some of the idiots that pass as dog owners out there.  I would be so picky they would think they were adopting the heir to the throne.

If someone like Gina can't or won't provide me with a puppy, can you really criticize me for turning to a BYB or pet store?
 
Absolutely I can [] Just as you could critisize ME for now selling to you lol...
 
Because shelters and rescues are an option before a BYB, always...and if you cannot pass muster at a shelter, or rescue....maybe you should really think about why you want that breed at all [] Maybe your focus should be on changing whatever reason you were turned down, ...but that'd take admitting you have something to work on....or admit they might have a point, do more research and think about different breeds.
 
If you CAN pass muster at a shelter, they simply don't have the exact breed or age or size you want, maybe you should get on a waiting list at a shelter for JUST what you want and WAIT.
 
Patience would get you in more doors than acting sore about someone's input on why a breed might not be a good fit...so seldom do I see anyone...get over being offended and say "you may think so...but I will come to the shows or trials and learn everything I can, join the lists to learn still more, be open minded and absorb all I can...eventually  I bet you will change your mind about me []"
 
 
ETA: I will say again....the OP's reason..."because so and so was the only person who would talk to me" or any number of time, money or emotion related excuse, seems to be the most common reason people go to a BYB. Personally I don't think "settling" for who would be nice to me would move me to buy any living creature...or anything at all. If I have something in mind I want the best available...the most fitting example of the ideal I have...if I cannot afford it I save more money, if they will not sell to me I will talk with them about why and what WOULD make them more comfortable, if it's just a personality conflict than I go to someone with similar lines, equally responsible, but a better atittude..lol. Always a way...if you are patient...and if you are respectful of what goes into breeding a dog responsibly...often BOTH are missing in JQP.

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So where are people like me, who do not feel they have the expertise to handle the health or behavioural problems that might come from a rescue dog, suppose to go? If someone like Gina can't or won't provide me with a puppy, can you really criticize me for turning to a BYB or pet store?

But that's a common misconception that shelter/rescue dogs have health or behavioral problems. Going through a rescue is a wonderful way to find that out, especially for dogs that have been in foster homes. Most dogs are surrendered because of bad owners, not bad dogs. People not understanding their animals' natural instincts. Swear to God, we've had people turn in animals to the shelter for the most ridiculous reasons . . . Fila Mastaff's because they moved and they were too big. HELLO!!!! Wonderful dogs, not a thing wrong with them. Jack Russells because they were "too wild". Okay, so let's LEARN about a breed before buying one next time! Yes, there are dogs with "issues", but a 10 month old pup chewing on things is NOT an "issue", it's normal dog behavior. I understand there are reasons to buy dogs from reputable breeders, but I sure would like to see people try out the rescues more. Fosters do so much to socialize and train dogs. They're fixed and vetted. Frankly, it's a very cost effective way to get a dog!

ORIGINAL: denise_m

I understand where faramir is coming from in regards to the difficulties of buying from a responsible breeder (been there, done that). I also understand that breeders aren't in the business of providing the world with puppies. So where are people like me, who do not feel they have the expertise to handle the health or behavioural problems that might come from a rescue dog, suppose to go? If someone like Gina can't or won't provide me with a puppy, can you really criticize me for turning to a BYB or pet store?

 I still think that if you really want a certain breed,then that ought to be a goal worth striving for...nothing good comes easy...there are alot of things in my life that i wanted now,but had to wait till i could afford those things..in these cases i really believe that the animals rights ought to come first.I live by the motto nothing good comes easy..

  The BYB in question miht have all the best intentions,and in the case where these people are triing to establish themselves as reputable breeders,and are doing all they should be doing for the dogs,then i applaud them..

  the BYB i am talking about are the puppy mill type who care nothing for the well bieng and future of the dogs..

 

one thing i want to clarify:
 
the subject title was not:   why i WOULDN'T buy from a "reputable" breeder.
 
the issue is not "where is the best place to buy a pup"...whether reputable breeder, rescue, byb etc.
 
i was just relating my experience of how, as a novice, i came to do what i chose to do.
 
what i see now is that the reputable breeders probably wouldn't have wanted me...and i laugh now at all the people who have insisted that i should have...the education is not out there, and the obstacles surely are....we all do the best we can, with the knowledge and experience we have at a particular point in time...

I should also mention that i did adopt 2 dogs with special needs...worksin progress...

 i absolutley agree that not all shelter animals have issues...I also agree that while waiting for your breed dog to arive,it would give you time to research dog behavior.Fact is if you dont have time to research dog behavior,you probably wont have time to research or understand it after the dog is in your home...

And sometimes the BEST way to find the BEST dog...even a specific breed...is to simply NOT LOOK...lol! Stop....don't whine, don't email, don't even think about it. I'll be darned if it happens that way...someone who knows someone who's rehoming this dog or that...just hang around, absorb, learn...but don't actively pursue and sometimes that does the trick! []
 
Sometimes, it's ka....

MhadDog - Thanks for clearing this up for me. Its us common folk that haven`t yet got our dog fixed yet right? I got a 5 month old and she is in prison ( never left unguarded ) here until she is spayed at around 6 months just in case things happen sooner then expected.

thanks for posting that!
I hate when people assume that a 'rescue' dog is some disabled devil dog
I love the look on people's faces when they inquire about Bugs and gush on about how gorgeous he is when I tell them that he is from the S PCA and was a a stray []

umm...i am not sure how to take your comment as i am one of the common folk who have been in situations where one of my dogs has slipped out the door when my attention was diverted,or a rear slider was left ajar just enough where my pup could open it up and take off..i realize accidents happen even though my dogs have all been spayed and nuetered before they got away...the fact is,fixed or not,they got away,and who knows what they could have gotten into...besides porcupines that is..[]

I am the farthest person from a breed elitist you will find...all my dogs are MUTTS,and they are just as good,and valuable as any other dog here or anywhere else.Once a dog is born,whether it be from a byb,a puppy mill or breeder,that dog is just as worthy as mine...this is not an attack on the dogs...this is all about hoping to see breeders who care about the dogs before the money.

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