Is AKC teaming with Petland?

ORIGINAL: Xeph

Jimmy Moses is indeed (or at least was) showing a Hunt Corp dog

What's a Hunt Corp dog?

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ORIGINAL: Xeph

Jimmy Moses is indeed (or at least was) showing a Hunt Corp dog

 
Oh my goodness- that's crazy! I met him at a dog show about 15 years ago at a dog show. I'm not sure what German Shepherd he was handling, but he won BIS. Then a few years later I saw him at the same showgrounds with Altana's Mystique. I can't believe he would handle a puppymill dog! [:-]

I don't remember the name of the dog, but I believe it is finished, and Jimmy is not campaigning it heavily.  The dog that won group, Jaime, was likely Geneva.  Jimmy prefers to do his heavy campaigning with bitches rather than dogs. He just likes the girls more.
 
You should be surprised that Jimmy would do such a thing.  He handled Gennie as long as he did because the owner offered him tons and tons of bonuses for every dog he beat.  Same thing goes for Tena and Geneva.  These bitches have all been #1 in their breeds respectively, and I have NEVER heard of a litter out of any of them.
 
When they were available, Jimmy kept Gennie out of season with Cheque Drops.  Don't know what he does now, but Tena and Geneva were shown endlessly.  Kent Boyles, who is the breeder of Tena, has taken her back I believe.
 
I've met Jimmy Moses many times.  IMO, a pleasant man he is not.  I've heard stories from those who sent dogs to him, and they weren't happy.  It is not a secret amongst the Shepherd people that while Jimmy has Dog Sense, he is not a Dog Man.  Kent Boyles was Jimmy's study at one point, and I've met Kent numerous times....two completely different people.
 
Kent is very sweet, personable, and, unlike Jimmy, he not only has Dog Sense, he IS a Dog Man.  He loves his charges.  He plays with them, and is very honest with his breeding stock and goals.  He can be running to the ring with two dogs in hand, but he has ALWAYS taken the time to turn his head and say "Hi!" if he sees me.  If he needs help readying dogs ringside, or holding, he hands me a leash.
 
Jimmy Moses has never done anything but glare at me.
 
So, to stop my ramblings - James Moses + Hunt Corp = Not surprising

ORIGINAL: Xeph

I don't remember the name of the dog, but I believe it is finished, and Jimmy is not campaigning it heavily.  The dog that won group, Jaime, was likely Geneva.  Jimmy prefers to do his heavy campaigning with bitches rather than dogs. He just likes the girls more.

You should be surprised that Jimmy would do such a thing.  He handled Gennie as long as he did because the owner offered him tons and tons of bonuses for every dog he beat.  Same thing goes for Tena and Geneva.  These bitches have all been #1 in their breeds respectively, and I have NEVER heard of a litter out of any of them.

When they were available, Jimmy kept Gennie out of season with Cheque Drops.  Don't know what he does now, but Tena and Geneva were shown endlessly.  Kent Boyles, who is the breeder of Tena, has taken her back I believe.

I've met Jimmy Moses many times.  IMO, a pleasant man he is not.  I've heard stories from those who sent dogs to him, and they weren't happy.  It is not a secret amongst the Shepherd people that while Jimmy has Dog Sense, he is not a Dog Man.  Kent Boyles was Jimmy's study at one point, and I've met Kent numerous times....two completely different people.

Kent is very sweet, personable, and, unlike Jimmy, he not only has Dog Sense, he IS a Dog Man.  He loves his charges.  He plays with them, and is very honest with his breeding stock and goals.  He can be running to the ring with two dogs in hand, but he has ALWAYS taken the time to turn his head and say "Hi!" if he sees me.  If he needs help readying dogs ringside, or holding, he hands me a leash.

Jimmy Moses has never done anything but glare at me.

So, to stop my ramblings - James Moses + Hunt Corp = Not surprising

 
Wow, all of that is good to know. When I met him he was nice to me, but then I was a kid and not competition- not that it's an excuse to be rude to people that are competition!! I remember he was putting black mascara on the dog's muzzle/beauty spot area. Is that allowed?

I just received this email this morning------I am new to showing but this really is very disturbing;
 
News from Tue AKC meeting-thought you'd find this quite interesting.
Maxine
>> >>
>>> *****PERMISSION TO CROSS POST GRANTED*****
>>> September 13, 2006
>>> From: Sally Nist, AKC Delegate, RCKC
>>> To: Rapid City Kennel Club members
>>>
>>> This will be somewhat short as it is late and I will write a more
>>> complete report tomorrow. I am just back from the fall Delegate
>>> meeting. It began with the normal committee elections and a vote on
>>> the first proposed amendment. That was an amendment limiting outside
>>> activities by delegates. AKC said it was to assist us if we had to
>>> remove a delegate for conflict of interest but it was really setting
>>> a stage of sorts. The existing restrictions were enlarged to keep
>>> people out of the delegate body who didn't support "AKC objects".
>>> Dennis Sprung and Board members explained that we could then
>>> keep "animal rights" people from "taking over the AKC".
>>>
>>> After lunch came the regular reports from the Treasurer, the new
>>> archive program, etc. Buried in the Treasurer's report was a very
>>> quick mention of a "new contractual relationship" between AKC and
>>> the Petland chain of stores (120 in the US, with 20 more planned for
>>> 2007). The difference between Petland and PetSmart or PetCo is that
>>> they sell puppies at Petland.
>>>
>>> During the final portion of the meeting, several delegates--who were
>>> completely caught off guard by thie news of the contract--brought up
>>> their concern and asked for more information. We were told that "we
>>> would never see the contract (which I heard from another delegate
>>> was just signed last Friday)", it is necessary for AKC to meet the
>>> bottom line, and that it was the wave of the future and we should
>>> get on board. At one point David Merriim, the attorney for AKC
>>> actually said he had not seen the contract (great boos and laughter
>>> ensued) and that if we don't work with Petland to get more dogs
>>> registered we will be looking at $75 entry fees and become
>>> an "elitist organization". NOTE: you will be able to read the full
>>> details in a couple of days on the AKC website so excuse me if my
>>> quotes are not completely accurate. They may not be 100% correct but
>>> very, very close.
>>>
>>>>From what we could gather from the very sketchy info parsed out by
>>> the AKC staff to the delegates, the Board of Directors and
>>> the "Management Team" have signed a contract with Petland endorsing
>>> the sale of puppies under the AKC banner, with the Petland sales
>>> people encouraging people to register the puppies with AKC. Needless
>>> to say, all will be sold with no conditional breeding paperwork, as
>>> is done by breeders who sell directly to new owners.
>>>
>>> You will see when you read the minutes on the website that the
>>> discussion went on for a couple of hours. I was in line to speak but
>>> everyone had covered my thoughts and I stepped out. Main concerns
>>> were the breeding of these puppies, the fact that we have always put
>>> AKC above "puppy mills and puppy sales at stores", the fact that
>>> these puppies will be the rescue dogs of the future, etc. A motion
>>> was made by the Golden Retriever club delegate that the delegates
>>> vote to let the board know we want them to rescend the contract. The
>>> AKC staff kept saying that it was a "non-binding, sense of the
>>> delegation vote". It carried nearly unanimously.
>>>
>>> The delegate body is stunned. Of course, by the vote earlier in the
>>> day, we are not "supporting the AKC object" but I, for one, think it
>>> is critical that if members of RCKC do not agree with this sudden
>>> and secret action taken by the AKC without any notification of the
>>> general population it supposedly supports, we must make our voices
>>> heard.
>>>
>>> I suggest letters be sent to Dennis Sprung, to every member of the
>>> Board of Directors, and every single higher-level management person.
>>> Alternative ways to obtain additiional funds (which does have an $8M
>>> reserve) we might consider release of the expensive NYC property, a
>>> pay cut by AKC staff (often done in private industry to save a
>>> business), cutting Board expenses, reviewing every expense line by
>>> line, etc.
>>>
>>> If you so direct, and if I am elected your delegate to the AKC (a
>>> position I would like to hold in the upcoming year), I will vote
>>> against every single member of the Board of Directors on this issue
>>> alone, no matter how fabulously they may have served the fancy in
>>> the past. I will carry any message to the next meeting on this
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> If this is not a concern, we can move on to other issues. If the
>>> anger expressed by delegates is representative of the anger of
>>> concerned breeders and members of RCKC, I urge everyone to act. The
>>> contract has been signed and none of the delegates is sure if any
>>> action can change anything but we can express our outrage and the
>>> new direction AKC has taken. It began with our new embrace and
>>> acceptance of "large volumne breeders"--some might say puppy mills--
>>> and this seems to be the final nail in the coffin to separate
>>> legitimate, concerned breeders from pet shop suppliers.
>>>
>>> ***********Permission to crosspost granted**************
>>

I have nothing to do with AKC and even I am FURIOUS!!!
 

ORIGINAL: houndlove

I have nothing to do with AKC and even I am FURIOUS!!!

Ditto -- though I'm not particularly surprised, unfortunately

I think even more so this is a tactic to make raising fees substantially, more palatable. Their corporate attorney hadn't seen the contract yet? Either that or they really are trying to steamroll this contract through . . .which is even scarier if you have a lot of invested interest in the AKC. [sm=rolleyes.gif]

So how many think this will be the declining of popular breeds across the board??? Poorly bred dogs being marketed by the masses...ugh [:'(] Is there any spay/neuter contracts? Health testing? ...... my guess is NO since they are just thinking about the bottom line....
 
 

Thanks for sharing that. My dog is a mixed breed, and therefore, not recognized by the AKC. But even I think they should not do this. The end result of increased revenue does not justify the means.

we don't work with Petland to get more dogs
>>> registered we will be looking at $75 entry fees and become
>>> an "elitist organization".

 
?????
 
Well, I think most people view the AKC as an elitist organization anyway. 
 
AKC is a nonprofit organization.  And I realize the AKC donates a lot of money on health research but really, where does all that money go?  Do they really generate that much money from registration fees versus entry fees?  The AKC's cut of my agility fee is currently $3.00 per dog per day.
 
Here's me:
 
I currently have 3 AKC registered dogs.  I have had 2 other AKC reg. dogs.  That's a total of 5 registration fees.  I've put a bunch of titles on my dogs (around 30 and still counting).  That amounts to a bunch of entry fees.  Believe me, it almost always takes many, many attempts to put a performance title on a basenji.  Seems like the AKC is ignoring the very people spending the most $$$$ with them.  [:'(][:'(][:'(]
 
For the longest time in this area, AKC agility trials filled in a matter of a few days.  Now, for various reasons, the trials almost fill.  If the AKC would allow All-Americans (mixed breeds) to enter agility, obedience, tracking and Rally, that could also increase their income. 

"If the AKC would allow All-Americans (mixed breeds) to enter agility, obedience, tracking and Rally, that could also increase their income"
 
Agile that's in the works right now...allowing mixed breeds to compete in performance....mixes aside form those already "in" on ILP# [] Lightyears behind UKC in that as well..

Grrr.. this is annoying. Someone needs to remind AKC that they're supposed to be for the BENEFIT and PROMOTION of purebred dogs. Not the pocketbooks of puppymillers.
This makes me very angry- especially since AKC is pretty much the only game in town locally for competition. I plan to do obedience and rally and agility with Mal (and conformation if he turns out) and while there aer some ASCA events, conformation is AKC or UKC only, and i don't think there are many shows around here for UKC, nor are they as big.

especially since AKC is pretty much the only game in town locally for competition

 
I bet it's not really the only game in town for agility.  Try NADAC or USDAA.  There are almost as many of those trials as AKC and you get more runs per day. 
 

Agile that's in the works right now...allowing mixed breeds to compete in performance....mixes aside form those already "in" on ILP# [] Lightyears behind UKC in that as well..

 
Yes, well, I understand the AKC's reluctance to do so as it goes against their creed of "Promoting the Sport of Purebred dogs" but what is on the home page of the website says "We're more than champion dogs.  We're the dog's champion."  And I've often wondered how many people would object if the AKC's creed were something like "Promoting Responsible dog ownership and dog sports."