how you disipline?!?!

SpiritDogs--

Instead of typing your inexperience all over a message board, why not FIRST read the top ten books for dog trainers on dogwise.com?

Er...and who exactly on this message board are you referring to...I don't think anyone here advocated hitting dogs....

 
I misunderstood.  I thought this poster was directing their message to spiritdogs, but now realize it's their way of quoting her.  My mistake.  I'd go back and edit that out, but I don't want to confuse the thread any more than I did.  Thanks for the correction... while not physical, I understood it completely....

Billy, I just don't agree that it works.  I think that a sharp word is more likely to frighten the pup into really DUMPING the bladder right then and there.  I do the very gentle "unh uh, we got OUTside to go POTTY", then scoop and run.  And, again, it's NOT the pups fault that I wasn't watching closely enough.
 
And I'm not so sure that the old rub and swat was all that effective either.  At best it was unneccessary roughness.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Billy, I just don't agree that it works.  I think that a sharp word is more likely to frighten the pup into really DUMPING the bladder right then and there.  I do the very gentle "unh uh, we got OUTside to go POTTY", then scoop and run.  And, again, it's NOT the pups fault that I wasn't watching closely enough.

 
I would have loved to enploy the scoop and run method--but with a 50 lb dog?  Sally had no potty training when we got her and she was already a year old.  Once she started going, she kept going, whether anything was said to her or not.  She also gave no indication that she had to go and still doesn't. 

ORIGINAL: miranadobe

SpiritDogs--

Instead of typing your inexperience all over a message board, why not FIRST read the top ten books for dog trainers on dogwise.com?

Er...and who exactly on this message board are you referring to...I don't think anyone here advocated hitting dogs....

I misunderstood.  I thought this poster was directing their message to spiritdogs, but now realize it's their way of quoting her.  My mistake.  I'd go back and edit that out, but I don't want to confuse the thread any more than I did.  Thanks for the correction... while not physical, I understood it completely....

 
Well you'd BETTER--it'll be the newspaper for you nest time.....[]

Well you'd BETTER--it'll be the newspaper for you nest time.....

 
Ahh - your scold has made me cower...

And, again, it's NOT the pups fault that I wasn't watching closely enough.

 
 
I guess i don't really understand... are you saying that your puppies never have accidents even when you are watching them closely??? A 2 month old puppy has no idea where it should "go", so, what are you going to do, run it outside while it is going potty?

Yes, that's exactly what I do, which is why I suggest WITH a towel.  And yep I always have one handy when I have pups.  But, I watch them soooo closely that I rarely miss a sign.

ORIGINAL: Pooch_luvr

And, again, it's NOT the pups fault that I wasn't watching closely enough.

I guess i don't really understand... are you saying that your puppies never have accidents even when you are watching them closely??? A 2 month old puppy has no idea where it should "go", so, what are you going to do, run it outside while it is going potty?

 
An 8 week old pup doesnt know where it should go, but if we watch that pup closely enough, confine when we are unable to do so and take that pup out every 45 minutes or so, and PRAISE like crazy we should not have any accidents at ALL.
 
If a person could realize the big difference that positive reinforcment has over getting physical, they would NEVER swat or smack a pup again. When you smack a pup for catching them going in the act, what do you accomplish? The pup yelps, become frightened and runs away and pees and poops in another corner.
 
Now if you pick him up and run outside and praise when he goes potty the pup learns 'hey potty outside gets me praise!' and you have a dog that grows up confident and well adjusted.
 
Ive seen the negative effects of abused dogs and its no fun

Excellent post Anne. []

AAGGhh[sm=banghead002.gif] I am almost sorry I happened on this thread,
Listen years ago we used to cover people up when they had a fever, we now know that raises the temperature, we used to put butter and Vaseline on burns, that blisters it.
When you find a better way or learn that what you are doing is harmful you change what you are doing. There are at least 30 people on this board telling you that +R works why not give it a shot, why would you want to Hit a dog w/ a newspaper or spank it's bottom if you don't have to? Can't you keep an open mind and try it? Do you believe the dog wants to purposely defy you, for what reason? Dogs want to be w/us 24/7 no matter how stupid we are. Pick up some of the books Anne suggested, give the dog and your relationship with the dog a shot.

i think we've said pretty much that we all need to say about this post so i'll do the summing up of it. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone about there imput, i have all ways been taught the "old fashion" way when it came to potty training so i guess it's really all i have known in that respect.

Thank you everyone that posted! i really like this forum and i appreciate all of you!

I think hitting, tapping or whatever you call it is unnecessary. If my dog is doing something very wrong that needs to be stopped immediately for her safety or whatever, I make a harsh, loud "aahr!" sound in the back of my throat. It makes her stop instantly and then I have her full attention and I can tell her what I DO want her to do. If she's just off the planet and not listening or paying attention but is running around in a frenzy or something similar, I grab her collar in both hands on either side of her head and hold her still, then say her name until she looks at me. Then I ask that she sits and hold the position until she has calmed down. This has become pretty effective over the years. It distracts her from her bad behaviour and gets her thinking again, realising that Mum isn't happy with her. Once she starts thinking, she calms down and forgets what she was so worked up about. I reserve that for moments when I can't seem to get her attention verbally and using the stop sound I described earlier isn't appropriate because she probably doesn't even realise what she's doing. When it comes down to it, every dog is an individual. My goal as a dog owner is to understand my dog as best I can and develop a way of communicating with them that makes sense to both of us. Hitting or smacking doesn't make much sense to a dog, and even less to a puppy.

I didn't read the whole thread, b/c, well.... it's late, and I should be sleeping.

I do have to say, though, that after almost 11 months of living with me, Teenie *still* hides to go potty. Of course, whoever the sick pscho was who "trained" her was very, very severe with her. From what anybody can tell, she ended up being closed in a small space and rarely being let out. When she potties, she still expects that I'm going to hit her. I've been praising and treating her potties for almost 11 months! When she goes inside, I tell her, "Outside, Teenie! Let's go!" and we run out and finish.

It is never, ever ok to hit a dog. Whacking your dog with a newspaper might not be the same as breaking her itty bitty ribs with your foot, BUT it's still wrong.

I never discipline my dogs. Hitting, screaming, swearing. The most I do is pop his collar if he breaks a sit or gets snarky. But that's lightly.I never agreed to hitting anything living. Unless some person walked up to you and started touching you, then it's aalright to hit. It's like slapping your kid and telling them you hate them. your kids love you and think your the coolest ever (apart from mild teen angst) and you run around slapping them and screaming at them when they wet the bed, or ripped the couch, or went digging in the backyard to make a mudbath for their feet. Think of how the dogs feel.


Haleigh

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Billy, I just don't agree that it works.  I think that a sharp word is more likely to frighten the pup into really DUMPING the bladder right then and there.  I do the very gentle "unh uh, we got OUTside to go POTTY", then scoop and run.  And, again, it's NOT the pups fault that I wasn't watching closely enough.

And I'm not so sure that the old rub and swat was all that effective either.  At best it was unneccessary roughness.

 
I agree that the kinder, gentler approach is more effective.  When we brought Odie home after adopting him, the very first thing he did, right in front of me, was squat to take a dump in the floor.  I clapped my hands and bellowed "NO!"  He took off running, poop dropping from his dog butt as he went.  He was obviously already house trained though, because he never did it again.