I don’t believe......

Or a hint of paranoia.lol

 
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ORIGINAL: MhadDog

ORIGINAL: bragg1120

I don't believe it when people say "Have a nice day".

I don't believe that can be said without a teensie bit of sarcasm.

Or a hint of paranoia.lol

 
and without a smile (that is logical ands and logical ors)

I don't believe I've spent the last two, er, I mean one hour reading Idog instead of doing work....  [8|]

*I don't believe how narrow and hypocritical some people who rofess to be open-minded and all-embracing can be.
*I don't believe anyone  is ever 100% right or 100% wrong.
*I don't believe I will ever enjoy a 90 degree day with high humidity
 

I don't believe I'll ever understand how someone in their early 20s can sign up for a social security check after working only a year (or less)... is able to hunt, fish, build houses/garages,etc. but is somehow unable to WORK -- When someone that has worked since a very young age, has several breathing treatments per day, has had open heart surgery with multiple bypasses is told to find a desk job and come back when they turn 63.  [:@] 
 
It's check day here... makes me wanna hide.

ORIGINAL: cyclefiend2000

i dont believe that i am the only one offended by this comment....

*i dont believe a crate is any better than a chain, kennel, or small room.

i dont believe some people consider the circumstances of others before opening their mouth.

i dont believe a crate is comparable to a chain or outdoor kennel.

whether you leave your dog with run of the house, in a crate, or in a room.... the dog is still confined. otherwise it would be roaming the countryside, and via the dog leash thread most of us dont believe in letting our dogs roam freely.

i dont believe people commented on that without reading the rest of what i said ... which was:

 i dont believe a crate is any better than a chain, kennel, or small room. if you want to lock your dog away all day and never interact with it then dont have a dog. but confinement is confinement, just ask the inmates in the local prison and jail or those on probation. and what ever method you choose could still frustrate your pet and lead to fear, aggression or excitability and they are just as much at risk being in a crate in the house as they would be outside on a chain or in a kennel. if your house catches fire when you arent home, your dog dies a horrible death.

i DO believe there is a reason for long winded posts. its to explain our beliefs and comments so people dont think we're just yammering away about nothing and to clear up any cunfusion in the future. although i do believe i failed in that respect because apparently some of you did NOT read my long drawn out comment.

I gotta say Ginger... to a certain extent I DO understand your concern over fire, etc and your dog being trapped. But many, many dogs that are crated are done so for their own safety while you are away from home.



so as to stay on topic... I truly have got to say that i don't believe this thread has over 50 posts.. I seriously never expected that![]

Dumdog, so according to your post your options are essentially:
 
1. Dog roams freely.
2. Dog is contained.
 
Pro's for 1.  Dog will probably not die in a fire. 
Con's for 1. Dog will probably get hit by a car, eaten by a coyote, killed in a dog fight... or shot by hunters/neighbors, etc.
 
Pro's for 2. Dog will probably not get hit by a car, eaten by a coyote, killed in a dog fight, or shot by a hunter/neighbors, etc.
Cons for 2. Dog could potentially die in a fire.
 
I don't get what you're getting at?  I see there is a clear winner on containment of your dog, IMNSHO.  I understand that there are people who put their dog in a crate all day and ignore it.. that's clearly abuse.  But, I don't understand what you are trying to justify?

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ORIGINAL: jjsmom06

I gotta say Ginger... to a certain extent I DO understand your concern over fire, etc and your dog being trapped. But many, many dogs that are crated are done so for their own safety while you are away from home.



so as to stay on topic... I truly have got to say that i don't believe this thread has over 50 posts.. I seriously never expected that![]

i do understand that. i've crated my own dogs when i needed to. but i have seen and heard of dogs being locked up and shoved into a corner with a blanket thrown over the cage like they were a bird.. and the owner was home the whole time.. not doing anything. just sitting there.. listening to it howl and grumble.
i dunno.. i guess i am bothered by it because i met one dog that was pure walking fear because of a house fire. after that ordeal there was absolutely no way to contain her. to even try it she would go bananas....

having said that..
i believe crates have a purpose and are probably the better alternative, but i also believe that confinement is still confinement
and i believe there is a certain amount of risk you face every day, but should not let it stop you from living..

ORIGINAL: Sera_J

Dumdog, so according to your post your options are essentially:

1. Dog roams freely.
2. Dog is contained.

Pro's for 1.  Dog will probably not die in a fire. 
Con's for 1. Dog will probably get hit by a car, eaten by a coyote, killed in a dog fight... or shot by hunters/neighbors, etc.

Pro's for 2. Dog will probably not get hit by a car, eaten by a coyote, killed in a dog fight, or shot by a hunter/neighbors, etc.
Cons for 2. Dog could potentially die in a fire.

I don't get what you're getting at?  I see there is a clear winner on containment of your dog, IMNSHO.  I understand that there are people who put their dog in a crate all day and ignore it.. that's clearly abuse.  But, I don't understand what you are trying to justify?

ok i didnt want to run away with this and make it a crate debate..... not my fault. i already explained my stance, but took to long writing a long winded responce....

i dont believe i will post in this thread anymore because i know the majority wont agree with me anyway
i do believe in properly keeping a dog but i dont believe the BEST way is in a crate. which would take us back to some other belief about best intentions and what not meaning harm.
i do believe my dogs are properly contained,
i do believe in the past i have had dogs live ten and fifteen years without crates, chains, or fences in an urban area and i believe others do the same here.
i dont believe those others will speak up about their "Dogs at large" because they wouldnt want to be disliked and shunned or flamed.
i dont believe a fence is going to protect your dog against a hungry coyote or a pack of dogs looking to cause damage.
i dont think crates are bad. but i dont think they are any different than any other method of containment.
i do believe all methods of containment come with risk.
i dont believe you should stop living because something bad might happen.
i do believe where i live right now, the chances of a house fire are as great as the chances of a forest fire because people are being evacuated from areas as we speak because of the drought and fires.
i dont believe someone at work will have time to go home and rescue their pets if the fire devours their neighbourhood.
i also dont believe the firefighters are going to listen to those little signs you put in the window about "please rescue pets" if there is a massive forest fire headed that way.

Dumdog said: 
 
"i dont believe a crate is any better than a chain, kennel, or small room."
and
"i believe crates have a purpose and are probably the better alternative, but i also believe that confinement is still confinement"
and
"i dont think crates are bad."
and
"i dont believe i will post in this thread anymore because i know the majority wont agree with me anyway
i do believe in properly keeping a dog but i dont believe the BEST way is in a crate. which would take us back to some other belief about best intentions and what not meaning harm."
 
Honestly, I truly do not know what you are trying to say.
 

I don't believe the majority is right all the time.
I don't believe a hungry coyote or a pack of dogs looking to cause damage can penetrate my yard.
I don't believe Dumdog is generally wrong on any of her other points.

i dont believe people commented on that without reading the rest of what i said ... which was:

i dont believe a crate is any better than a chain, kennel, or small room. if you want to lock your dog away all day and never interact with it then dont have a dog. but confinement is confinement, just ask the inmates in the local prison and jail or those on probation. and what ever method you choose could still frustrate your pet and lead to fear, aggression or excitability and they are just as much at risk being in a crate in the house as they would be outside on a chain or in a kennel. if your house catches fire when you arent home, your dog dies a horrible death.

i DO believe there is a reason for long winded posts. its to explain our beliefs and comments so people dont think we're just yammering away about nothing and to clear up any cunfusion in the future. although i do believe i failed in that respect because apparently some of you did NOT read my long drawn out comment.

i do know i read the whole post the first time.

i dont believe bold and red text change the meaning of the original post. as i read it, people who crate are the same as people who keep their dog chained in the yard. no one said crating was the best way to contain a dog, but it is a good way to contain a dog.

maybe leaving your dog with the whole house to roam in is the best way for your dog to be contained, that is great. i am glad it works well for them. maybe leaving your dog confined to one room works, great.

there is no one method that is best for everyone. but you cant call a good method bad and not expect a negative response.

 

I believe that I am very intelligent and can read between many lines
I believe a lot more but am shutting up

I believe I'm getting a little cornfuzzled about the term "confinement" as it can mean so many different things to different people.  A dog chained to a tree with a 3 ft. rope is certainly confined, but Max who has total run of the house and yard is also confined in a sense because he can't get out of the yard.
 
I believe a dog can have a lot of freedom and comfort and still not be running loose everywhere.
 
Joyce