Spanking

ORIGINAL: probe1957

I sure don't need the governement telling me how to discipline my kids.  I don't need the government telling me I can't smoke in a bar.  I don't need the government telling me I have to wear a seatbelt in my car or a helmet when I ride a motorcycle.  My God, what is the world coming to where we accept this level of government interference in our lives?  Are we really so stupid that we have to depend on others to decide what is best for us and our families? 

Unfortunately, some people are.  Smoking in a the bar needed to be banned, or smokers would still do it.  Sure its inconvenient to go outside to smoke, but its a health risk to smoke inside.  Why should I be allowed to put others at risk because I choose to do so to myself? 

Your not really against wearing your seatbelt are you?  Or a helmet?  Cause if you are then yes I guess some people are really too stupid to know what is best for them and their families.  Some people actually don't wear a helmet when they ride a motorcycle.  That is scary.  Of course I'm in Canada, and its always been law up here.  Any serious rider takes just as much pride in his/her helmet at thier bike.  Seatbelts save lives too.  Are you saying it should be my choice to take my childrens mother away from them, should I die?  And yet, given the choice, lots of people would make that one because the seatbelt digs into thier shoulder.  Laws are for those idiots.  Normal compassionate people just naturally follow them anyway.

Amen Billy!! 
 
 
A little off topic:

Now, instead of spanking kids in school when they misbehave, they call it ADHD and medicate them.  What is the world coming to?

 
I blame parents & teachers not wanting to deal with kids being kids!  Granted I'm sure SOME of the kids actually have it, but not all of the ones that are on medication.

>>Some people actually don't wear a helmet when they ride a motorcycle.  That is scary.<<
 
Yes Candace, MANY people here ride motorcycles without a helmet.  I would venture to say, the vast majority of motorcyclists do not wear helmets.  And why not?  The only one who could possibly be hurt my decision not to wear a helmet is me.  Do you really think the government should protect me from myself?  If I hit another car at say, 45 MPH, does it make much practical difference whether my brains are splattered all over the road or are nicely contained within my helmet?
 
>>Smoking in a the bar needed to be banned, or smokers would still do it.  Sure its inconvenient to go outside to smoke, but its a health risk to smoke inside.  Why should I be allowed to put others at risk because I choose to do so to myself?<<
 
I don't smoke but neither do I run away screaming if someone fires up a cigarette in my presence.  I know there is some marginal scientific evidence that tells me I should, but believe it or not, I am capable of making decisions about my health on my own.  I truly don't need the government for this.
 
>>Are you saying it should be my choice to take my childrens mother away from them, should I die? <<
 
That is EXACTLY what I am saying.  Are you suggesting that your government is more capable of making decisions about your personal well being than you are?  Furthermore, are you saying that your government SHOULD be the one making these personal decisions rather than you?
 
>>Of course I'm in Canada,<<
 
Canada is different.  I don't live in Canada.  I don't want to live in Canada.  We enjoy relatively more freedom in the US and I prefer that.  I recognize however that freedom comes with a price.  An example of more freedom -- I own 23 guns and literally thousands of rounds of ammuniton.  I really can't do that in Canada.  I could personally hold off the entire Canadian military for an impressive length of time.  []

Moderator hat is on...
 
Further OT discussion needs to be moved to a new thread...
within this one stay on topic...which was..'Spanking as relates to child rearing and/or gov't regulation thereof'.

ORIGINAL: probe1957

I don't need the government telling me I can't smoke in a bar. 

Then you need to go to any bar in Mexico City, everybody there smokes, you can even see the "smoke cloud" in the entire bar, you are "smoking" the entire time without having a cigarrete yourself []
 
Edited to stay on topic: Like i said before, spanking made me respect my parents (not being afraid of them), not spanking = kids in Nanny 911 []

ORIGINAL: probe1957

Yes Candace, MANY people here ride motorcycles without a helmet.  I would venture to say, the vast majority of motorcyclists do not wear helmets.  And why not?  The only one who could possibly be hurt my decision not to wear a helmet is me. 

If you think that the only person that could be hurt by your death is you, well, I can't say much to that.
ETA: I realize that helmets don't guarantee that you will be just fine after an accident, but they do raise your chances of survival.  You can't argue with that.

I don't smoke but neither do I run away screaming if someone fires up a cigarette in my presence.  I know there is some marginal scientific evidence that tells me I should, but believe it or not, I am capable of making decisions about my health on my own.  I truly don't need the government for this.

Believe it or not Billy, some people that don't smoke, don't want to put themselves at risk, and those people still deserve to be able to go to the bar.

That is EXACTLY what I am saying.  Are you suggesting that your government is more capable of making decisions about your personal well being than you are?  Furthermore, are you saying that your government SHOULD be the one making these personal decisions rather than you?

You left out the part where I said that normal people just follow these laws naturally and don't need to be told.  The laws are there for the people that don't.

Canada is different.  I don't live in Canada.  I don't want to live in Canada.  We enjoy relatively more freedom in the US and I prefer that.  I recognize however that freedom comes with a price.  An example of more freedom -- I own 23 guns and literally thousands of rounds of ammuniton.  I really can't do that in Canada.  I could personally hold off the entire Canadian military for an impressive length of time.  []

I actually have a friend that owns quite an extensive collection of guns.  Yes there are alot of restrictions, but I don't think that getting a license to aquire guns is really a bad thing.  You still have to get a license to drive a car right?  Do you take gun ownership lightly?  I would hope not.

Sorry Gina.  My fault.  But I did put "(OT)" in the subject line.  []

I could personally hold off the entire Canadian military for an impressive length of time.

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not exactly an impressive feat is it? []

i applaud the people who drive/ride in a car without seatbelts or ride motorcycles without helmets. i just hate it when their family then in turn sues the car manufacturers or whatever when their loved one takes themselves out of the gene pool in a nasty wreck.

i dont have a motorcycle anymore. actually i only ever had a dirt bike and wouldnt have considered riding it without a helmet as much as i crashed. i do ride a bike though, and there is huge pressure from my biking peers to always wear a helmet. i think it is stupid. i usually wear a helmet, but when it is august in sc and i am riding up a mountain (yes we have small ones here!) i think taking a helmet off when going 10 mph to prevent a heat stroke isnt a big deal.

however, all that says nothing about my feelings on spanking. i think some kids dont respond to any other form of punishment. i am not saying i would use spanking as a first resort in discipline, but i would not be opposed to doing it if all else fails.

Candace...please see my previous post....thanks.

Keeping on topic, do you and your wife still spank each other, Brad?  [sm=devil.gif]

Sorry Gina, I noticed Billy's apology and had to go back to find out why.  I was already replying.

My father was a spanker - big time.  Actually he used to pull off his belt and use that and I really believe that anyone behaving today as he did would be hauled off because what he did was physical abuse, pure and simple. It wasn't even necessary that I do something wrong.  If he was in a lousy mood about anything, I got it. I did not spank my kids nor have I ever hit a dog.
 
Joyce

'Spanking as relates to child rearing and/or gov't regulation thereof'

restating the topic once again...Billy...notice it says as relates to child REARING...not child MAKING....[] 
Thanks for your cooperation.

My mom only spanked me when I had done something dangerous and she wanted to make an impression (like if I ran out into the street or something).

 
This is what my cousin does with her almost 4 year old. And I think it's totally pointless. Because guess what? All Alleen remembers next time is that she gets in trouble and smacked for going into the street. She has no idea why she can't go in the street, because after her mom smacks her butt, all she can think about is how much her butt hurts, and no matter how much explaining her mother does, she can't hear it through her tears. So, next time Alleen wants to piss her mother off, or make a game out of chasing, what's she gonna do? You got it, run into the street. That gets the most reaction, so why not? But if you explain to her why she can't run into the street, tell her she might get hit by a car, or tell her how much she scared you, she ain't gonna do it again, because she's too smart for that.
 
Maybe that wouldn't work with kids who aren't as smart as Alleen, I don't know, but I know for sure she doesn't need to be spanked, and I think the 3 and under rule is perfectly fine. There is an extremely fine line bewteen spanking and abuse, as someone said, and WAY too many people cross that line for spanking to be perfectly fine and legal. JMO.
 

The only one who could possibly be hurt my decision not to wear a helmet is me.

 
I don't agree with that. What about the person who kills you in an accident and gets charged with vehicular manslaughter, or something of that sort? Your decision not to wear a helmet surely affects them. What about your family, who gets left behind when you die? Your decision not to wear a helmet surely hurts them.

Joyce..that's exactly why I made the distinction...I was spanked by my Mother...and BEATEN by my stepfather. He also used a belt.
 
To this day...I know the difference....and I will spank if it's needed...which thusfar has been very, very seldom.