Ideas on prenuptial agreements

    • Gold Top Dog
    LMAO.  Brad, you crack me up.  I bet you pick up fat girls in bars then never call them again.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My DH (as I call him) and I have been together for almost 11 years … and we are NOT LEGALLY married. I have a lot to eventually gain being an only child with 2 sets of parents that live very comfortably.  He does NOT have the same situation.  If I were to inherit and we were to chose to become legally married there after, HE would actually insist on a prenup. 
     
    Regardless of our love and respect for one another you never can say how you will feel “if” things were to turn sour.  Having been through a divorce in which he gave the ex everything, he is NOT the type of person to take things that he didn#%92t feel were rightly his as well, and this includes my inheritance.   That said, you can not even begin to imagine how you will feel if something was to cause you to divorce.
     
    I don#%92t care HOW MUCH love or respect you have in your relationship…that has NOTHING to do with how someone who is hurting will feel if the wedding vows do not turn into a forever deal.  [8|]I can#%92t believe I am going to say this but I agree with Billy… protect yourself first and formost!
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: probe1957

    LMAO.  Brad, you crack me up.  I bet you pick up fat girls in bars then never call them again.

    call me an a--hole, but i would no different out of the person i was divorcing. you know what they say ... "love stinks"
    • Gold Top Dog
    I have to agree with Cathy 100%.  Check with an attorney because these things vary from state to state.  In CA, the only things considered community property are whatever things  you aquired during the marriage, not what you bring into it.  Whatever you  have set aside now is something that you might one day want to pass on to your children, should you decide to have any. Or maybe you might want to leave something to a sibling, best friend, favorite charity, etc.  You can't do that if because of a divorce, someone has taken it. Nobody ever gets married with the idea that it might not work out ... but ... $#it happens.  And it has  nothing to do with whether or not you trust each other now.  When marriages fall apart, things can get very, very ugly. If the worst case scenario happens, you might need that money to start over.
     
    Joyce
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: fuzzy_dogs_mom
     When marriages fall apart, things can get very, very ugly.  

     
    Lawyers are paid to make sure things get ugly.
    • Gold Top Dog
    people can change


    people not only can change, they are gaurenteed to change, everyone grows and changes and evolves as their lives unfold. if you arent prepared to deal with natural life processes and are not willing to believe your marriage will work, by all means, get a pre-nup.

    but i must ponder, if you do not want to share everything with someone, why get married? that is what marriage is supposed to be. has everyone forgotten that?


    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: gaylemarie
    but i must ponder, if you do not want to share everything with someone, why get married? that is what marriage is supposed to be. has everyone forgotten that?

     
    I am willing to share it, I am just not willing to give them half of it if the marriage doesn't work out.  Statistics prove to me that one is naive, at best, if they give no thought to the difficulties they may encounter if their marriage fails.
    • Gold Top Dog
    but i must ponder, if you do not want to share everything with someone, why get married? that is what marriage is supposed to be. has everyone forgotten that?

     
    For me it is NOT about not sharing in a relationship. While I am in a relationship I will share all that I have. Whatever is mine is also their's and I would never leave a relationship with that person not having anything.  I think in my case the reason that DH would insist on a prenup would be to secure that the homes that my family has held onto for many generations do indeed stay with me as my parents wish…and are not lost through some divorce battle.   
    • Gold Top Dog
    DH would insist on a prenup would be to secure that the homes that my family has held onto for many generations do indeed stay with me as my parents wish


    i dont understand, why would he need a prenup for you to keep stuff he wanted you to keep to begin with?
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: gaylemarie
    i dont understand, why would he need a prenup for you to keep stuff he wanted you to keep to begin with?

     
    Maybe he is setting her up? 
     
    Maybe he really feels that way NOW, but in 10 years when he has nothing and she has a couple of million dollars in assets, if the marriage fails and after he consults a lawyer, who knows how he will feel THEN?
    • Gold Top Dog
    i dont understand, why would he need a prenup for you to keep stuff he wanted you to keep to begin with?

     
    Because he has been through a previous divorce and knows that the person you love most in the world you can learn to HATE if things go sour. He is an incredible man but knows his limitations and while I do not believe he could ever have such a dislike for me as he does for his ex (his dislike for her stems from her screwing up their kids after the divorce), he does not ever want to be in a situation where his emotions take over his reasoning skills. He would be truly asking for a prenup out of his love and respect for me
     
      Maybe he is setting her up? 

    Maybe he really feels that way NOW, but in 10 years when he has nothing and she has a couple of million dollars in assets, if the marriage fails and after he consults a lawyer, who knows how he will feel THEN?


     
    EXACTLY BILLY!  Wow...I actually agreed with you TWICE on one thread... amazing! [;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: jjsmom06
    EXACTLY BILLY!  Wow...I actually agreed with you TWICE on one thread... amazing! [;)]

     
    Was it as good for you as it was for me?  [;)]
    • Gold Top Dog
    I didn't read everyone's threads (short of time).
     
    Yes, you should never go into marriage thinking a divorce is an easy way out if things "don't work out".  You are to become "one".  And marriage is a lot, a lot, alot, alot, alot of hard, hard, hard work.  Lots of forgiving and forgetting. So, it's good to be married, b/c then you don't have a super easy way out of such a deep commitment.
     
    However, what happens if that man you love with all your heart decides about the 8th year of marriage that there is just not enough excitement anymore.  You find out 2 years later.  He says he is willing to change, but, hmmm doesn't change.  What then?  Believe me, this has happened more times than anyone can count, and  in marriages the spouse thought would last forever.
     
    Sometimes women are the eventual cheaters ---- but, let's face it folks, it's usually the man.  Would I be offended if a man asked for a prenup?  Yes, I would.  Would I ask for a prenup if I had considerable more than him?  Yep, this time I think I would.  It would depend on how much money we're talking about.  A couple of thousand, No.  But, if it was substantial, then yep, I would do that.
     
    What happens if he gets addicted to drugs or online gambling?  Sometimes, then, even if you still love him, your only financial recourse may be divorce to keep your finances from going into the plinker along with his.  Then, again, a pre-nupt would make it a lot quicker at a time you might need to act fast.
     
    Every state varies.  In some states, what you have when you married remains yours.  So, if you have a home in your name only, then it remains yours.  But, whatever equity amounts have increased must be split evenly.  So, you have a 100K home in your name only, get and stay married for 15 yrs, now that home is worth 200K.  So, ex-hubby now can claim 50K on YOUR home. Wow, that either wipes out any monies you have worked hard to put into retirement, or you now have to get a loan to pay him off.
     
    Other states are that everything becomes equitable when you get married.  So, in this case, ex-hubby gets 100K on the home. That can hurt alot espeically  if you put more monies into the home.
     
    And what happens if your parents leave you a lot of money after you are married?  That shouldn't be money that is split.
     
    Again, every state is different.
     
    Don't get me wrong - I think marriage is sacred and divorce is awful.  But it happens to the best of us.  The best of us get taken in by someone wonderful who we can't imagine ever hurting us - but years down the road it does.  You ask most any of these people, and they will tell you that they never imagined in their wildest dreams that they still wouldn't be married.  These are usually the same people who would have stuck around and made the marriage work, but the spouse wouldn't alter their rebellious or hurtful actions toward the innocent spouse.  Clearly, the behaviours of these people changed over time b/c no one in their right mind would have married a person who behaved in such a manner that they now have to divorce them.  So, for some people, either their behaviours changed, or they just stopped "hiding" their true personality.
     
    So, yep, it would depend on how much money we're talking about.  In your case, you've got a house that is yours. What does Texas say about who's house it really is after you are married?
     
    I'm sooooo glad that there are alot of marriages that do "stick". And I sincerely hope yours is one of them.  But, if you ask anyone who's been divorced, got hurt monitarily from someone that they had been married to for years and years, then I think they would vote for the prenupt. It's awfully hard to make that money up.  And the older you get, the harder it is.  It's easier to be non-chalent about it when your in your early 30's.  Not so easy to take a huge loss a decade later.
    • Gold Top Dog
    but i must ponder, if you do not want to share everything with someone, why get married? that is what marriage is supposed to be. has everyone forgotten that?

     
    Gayle - as Billy said, I don't think anyone is saying they don't want to share.  My DH and I discuss what this inheritance means for US, not me, and the security it's brought US.  We discuss plans to travel, retire, etc., just the same way that you and your DH probably do.  Our marriage is strong and things are good.  As I said, had I not been thru a divorce, I'd probably think like you do.  I got married at 18 and was married for almost 21 years.  I never imagined it would end, but when it did, we both showed our tail [:'(], but not as much as some divorces I've seen.  He was one year away from a 20 yr. Air Force retirement, of which I was entitled to half, but I waived it.  Lots of people thought I was crazy, but it was the right thing for me to do. On the other hand, I can remember stopping by to play with our dog (we were separated and he was at work) and when he got home he called and asked if I'd taken some of the tomatoes out of the frig (I hadn't).  We're friends today, but that's how ugly things can get [:@]. 
    • Gold Top Dog
    Lynn, I am not going to take exception to anything you said EXCEPT:
     
    Sometimes women are the eventual cheaters ---- but, let's face it folks, it's usually the man.

     
    Who do these cheating bastards cheat with?  Each other?  [;)]