I may have to retract my statement and support....

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    Wow, mehpenn, I am so so sorry for what Kelly and you are going through. That is absolutely horrifying, and although it may be an unpopular statement, if I were in your position right now I might be feeling the same way. I am so glad that she made it through the attack and wish you the best with the healing process. You have every right to feel the way you do.

    Get better Kelly....

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    Most of the time, especially in an attack with intent to kill, injuries are located around the face and neck.

    There is no doubt in my mind that had the dog been able to reach the horse's head and neck area, it would have attacked there. As it is, he did get her head, bit a chunk out of her mouth.... he did not focus hit attack on the lower leg/ankle/hoof are or the back portion of her body, no marks on her hind legs.. he focused as high up as he could get on the front of her body.

    And what kind of communication should I be having with his owners? Communication as to how sorry they are that the horse I raised from a foal, cared for and bonded with for 17 years, has been mauled by their dog due to their inability or lack of concern for keeping him confined? 

    Communication regarding how they never imagined the dog would do something like this?

    Or maybe I should tell them I don't blame them or their dog for what happened? It was just a fluke accident?

    I'm sorry, but right now the only communication I want to have with them is in regards as to how they plan on confining the dog, what precautions they are going to take to make sure this doesn't happen again, and how they're going to reimburse me for my vet bills.

     We've had dozens of dogs on/around/going through our property through the years... and never once have we ever had anything like this happen.  Is it coincidence that it just so happened to be a pit that did it? Maybe so. But is that a chance you're willing to take? Maybe I should ask this question... after looking at the damage this 80 pound dog did to a 1000 pound horse.. would you leave you kid in a room with it?

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    I will admit, that my previous support of pits was based on my general love and acceptance of all dog breeds... I do not agree with random stereotyping.  I had not researched the breed, or any bite statistics, as I simply didn't feel the need to.

    The animal control officer who came out, shared an interesting tidbit of information with us. Within our county, 55% of all dog aggression calls animal control recieves and investigates, involves pit bulls.

    That prompted me to look a little further, to see how other breeds relate.. and in my searching I found this, from dogsbite.org:

    "In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all attacks."

    From edgarsnyder.com

  • Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and American Bulldogs were responsible for 77% of all deaths.
  • Pit Bulls were responsible for 59% of all deaths.
  • Pit Bulls killed more adults than children
  • from ehow.com:

    The top 10 most dangerous breeds include 10. Dalmatians, 9.boxers, 8. Presa Canarios, 7. chows, 6. Doberman pinschers, 5. Alaskan malamutes, 4. Siberian huskies, 3. German shepherds, 2. Rottweilers and 1. pit bulls. According to PetPlace.com, pit bulls account for two-thirds of human fatalities resulting from dog attacks.

    As I think about, I admit that my support of the breed was based on lack of knowledge and uneducated.  The more I read, the more concerned I become. 

    Am I saying ALL pits are bad. Absolutely not.  But I do think it's important that we understand and keep in mind what the dogs are/were bred for... and sometimes you just can not train a dog to not follow it's instincts.

    I have a great respect for the breed... I am in no way trying to bash the entire breed. But I do believe this is a dog that has the potential to be extremely dangerous.. and it's not a dog for everyone... and if you're going to own one, you should have to meet tougher restrictions and the owners need to be held accountable. And should the rottweiler or corso or GSD start showing such staggering statistics, then they too, should be included in those restrictions. And ANY dog, be it chihuahua or great dane or pit bull, that bites or attacks any animal or human, should be faced with those same restrictions.

    I know any dog is capable of attacking.... I'm not trying to single the pit out... but statistic show that they are responsible for nearly half of all attacks.. and when you take into consideration the number of breeds there are out there, seeing those statistics should be sobering.

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     Being upset is natural, but blaming a bred as a whole is pointless. Any large breed can do significant damage to other animals.  My boss had an Wolfhound who was raised w their alpacas. He stayed out with them daily without issue.  One day one of the alpacas got tangled in some wire. Alarmed, he cried out and in that moment, the dog viewed him as prey and attacked.  The alpaca was badly injured (lung was exposed) and, in spite of surgery, he died.

    that horridness aside, he was a fabulous family dog..living with their kids and their small dogs. He was kept away from the alpacas from then on, nut had no issues w the family or small dogs.Were he still alive I would have no issue with his being near my child.

    Any large dog can do damage to even large livestock..but aggression towards an animal  is not an indication of human aggression.It IS an indication that the dog should be properly contained and never be allowed near livestock.

     

    ETA that regarding bite statistics, you might read the book The Pit Bull Placebo..it is a pretty interesting read

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    mehpenn
    I'm sorry, but right now the only communication I want to have with them is in regards as to how they plan on confining the dog, what precautions they are going to take to make sure this doesn't happen again, and how they're going to reimburse me for my vet bills.

     

    This is the kind of communication I think you should have with them. About confining the dog to prevent further damage to either animal, and how/if they pay your vet bills (I do think they should). But I don't think you should talk to them right now. You're upset, and have every right to be, but I suspect that an encounter or two of what they think is supportive and apologetic met with your emotions and anger, they will probably shut down and you will only get more upset and angry. If you have someone who can communicate your wishes and concerns to them, that would be my suggested route.

    I'm not saying you have to love pit bulls. I'm not saying you have to love that dog. I'm not trying to say you can't be upset, angry, hurt, or untrusting of that dog, his owners, or their actions.

    I also frequent a horse forum, and I know a lot of the responses there would be about how you can make your fence more secure. That could help prevent future attacks, damages, and incidents of many varieties, though it's certainly not that you were doing anything wrong or even inadequately. Horse owners just seem to frequently get the short end of the stick when it comes to this type of situation. If dogs run through your property all the time, and if my dog were near you in that situation, he would have probably attacked your horse. He's 75 lbs of I-want-to-be-attached-to-your-nose, and not an ounce of pit bull. If you mentioned an issue with their dog and containment before, I'm sorry I missed it.

    As for if I'd trust a kid in the room with that dog? No, I don't trust children and dogs, period. My uncle's pit bull lived quite happily with children pushing her around, laying on her, petting her, and playing with her before and after her attack. I don't know this dog or his family well enough to say that I would have ever trusted him the way they did.

    I feel like you are spending a lot of time focused on the small factor that x type of dog did this to your horse, and it's both true and tragic. This anger doesn't help you or your mare. You love her, you've spent 17 years with her and it hurts you to see her in so much pain. I do understand that, I'm not trying to dismiss those feelings at all. You know that horses and dogs are sensitive to what their owners and those around them are feeling. It's obvious that this dog and this situation makes you mad, and I don't think it helps anyone at this point. I hope your mare heals well, and that some of what your feeling dissipates for her sake and yours, not for the dog's.

    I saw the pictures in the Horse Section here. Your mare seems to be in the beginning stages of healing, and looks fairly well, all things considered. I know that there are other huge factors in horses and healing, so I hope she has a smooth road ahead of her, though I'm sorry she and you have to go through that at all.

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    I hope Kelly is doing better today. I continue to keep you, your family and her in my thoughts.

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    Of course you know how sorry I am about this, as I posted on your other thread.  However, this is just another example of why Pit owners must be so careful NOT to let their dogs roam free.  Rather than blaming the dog, I'm very angry at, and blame the owner for being another pinhead who assumed her Pit would never...blah, blah, blah.  Pits, as a rule, are human friendly, but overwhelmingly NOT animal friendly (the ones who are should be considered the exceptions, not the rule, just to keep everyone safe, including the dogs).  Pits are powerful dogs with big jaws that were originally bred, not only for dog fighting, but earlier, for BULL BAITING.  Why would anyone expect that they should let their Pit have contact with livestock, for God's sake????????  A horse looks like a large bull, perhaps, in that dog's genetically pre-programmed mind.  And, the baiting and holding behavior is a fixed action pattern that the dog, on its own, is unable to interrupt.  I hope all the idiot "it's all how the dog is raised" people are reading this.  This is not the dog's fault, any more than it's a herding dog's fault that it might, if let loose, herd all your neighbor's kids into a neat little group.  When you get a dog, you must find out what its breed predispositions are, and take proper care that those FAP's are not unleashed where they shouldn't be.  That neighbor, because her dog was loose, is irresponsible and utterly at fault in this.  How often do you hear of leashed dogs attacking horses, for chrissakes??? Now, she has caused a world of hurt for you and your horse, possible death for her dog, and another bunch of people to hate the Pit Bull breed.  In my opinion, she's an idiot, and I would rather unfriend her than castigate an entire breed.  Any unleashed, badly managed, predatory type breed could do this - but this jerk has nailed another nail in the coffin of the APBT and hurt you and your horse in the process.  No pet dog should EVER be allowed to worry or attack livestock, and she should at least have known that much.

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    mehpenn

    I will admit, that my previous support of pits was based on my general love and acceptance of all dog breeds... I do not agree with random stereotyping.  I had not researched the breed, or any bite statistics, as I simply didn't feel the need to.

    The animal control officer who came out, shared an interesting tidbit of information with us. Within our county, 55% of all dog aggression calls animal control recieves and investigates, involves pit bulls.

    Which may also be because you live in an area where the breed is popular.  You should also realize that calls are made on Pits even for normal behavior, because people are so afraid of them.

    That prompted me to look a little further, to see how other breeds relate.. and in my searching I found this, from dogsbite.org:

    "In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all attacks."

    Pit Bull "types" accounts for a lot of dogs that are not Pits.  For example, originally it was thought that the two dogs that killed the woman in California were Pits - turns out they were Cane Corsos. 

    From edgarsnyder.com

    • Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and American Bulldogs were responsible for 77% of all deaths.
    • Pit Bulls were responsible for 59% of all deaths.
    • Pit Bulls killed more adults than children

    from ehow.com:

    The top 10 most dangerous breeds include 10. Dalmatians, 9.boxers, 8. Presa Canarios, 7. chows, 6. Doberman pinschers, 5. Alaskan malamutes, 4. Siberian huskies, 3. German shepherds, 2. Rottweilers and 1. pit bulls. According to PetPlace.com, pit bulls account for two-thirds of human fatalities resulting from dog attacks.

    My question is who owns them?  Families with kids?  Little old ladies?  No, most dogs that get into trouble are adolescent dogs with testicles that are owned by "adolescent" humans with testicles.  The human factor in dog bite stats is almost completely overlooked and is the most variable.  When we change human behavior, we change dog behavior.

    As I think about, I admit that my support of the breed was based on lack of knowledge and uneducated.  The more I read, the more concerned I become. 

    What should concern you is the mismanagement of any large breed of dog that is capable of doing damage.  I'm concerned that I am seeing more field Labs and Golden Retrievers with aggression problems.  But, at least many of the owners are calling for help because they see the behavior as uncharacteristic for those breeds, which it was. 

    I almost never see Pit Bull puppies in puppy class!!!!!  WHY?  If I could get them there, I could educate the owners.  Right now I have one in class, and his owner is wonderful and responsible.  She already has a Pit-proof back yard, is extensively socializing him, and he can already sit and down on verbal cues (week 2 of class).

    Am I saying ALL pits are bad. Absolutely not.  But I do think it's important that we understand and keep in mind what the dogs are/were bred for... and sometimes you just can not train a dog to not follow it's instincts.

    Exactly right - which is why I HATE the mantra of "it's all how you raise them" - because it's NOT.  It's how you raise, socialize, manage, train and contain them.

    I have a great respect for the breed... I am in no way trying to bash the entire breed. But I do believe this is a dog that has the potential to be extremely dangerous.. and it's not a dog for everyone... and if you're going to own one, you should have to meet tougher restrictions and the owners need to be held accountable. And should the rottweiler or corso or GSD start showing such staggering statistics, then they too, should be included in those restrictions. And ANY dog, be it chihuahua or great dane or pit bull, that bites or attacks any animal or human, should be faced with those same restrictions.

    This is why dangerous dog laws should be based on behavior of the individual dogs.  A Pomeranian killed a child - that's in the stats, too.  But you don't hear anyone calling for the eradication, muzzling, labeling, or restriction of Pomeranians.  Any dog can bite, or kill, and people should be held accountable to manage their dogs appropriately.

    I know any dog is capable of attacking.... I'm not trying to single the pit out... but statistic show that they are responsible for nearly half of all attacks.. and when you take into consideration the number of breeds there are out there, seeing those statistics should be sobering.

    Any time any dog gets into trouble, it's sobering.  But, the popularity of a "tough" breed skews the stats somewhat, in addition to who owns them - usually macho males with little education in dog behavior - we've all seen the spiked collars, or the heavy chains around those poor dogs necks, as they walk down city streets with their pals, pants slung low and hats turned backward. 

    In the 70's and 80's practically no one had heard of Pits. It was all about getting rid of those nasty Dobermans.  Well, a lot the good Doberman breeders stepped up to the plate to help eliminate the problem, but the other thing that helped was that the breed's popularity dipped while that happened.  Now, despite the fact that insurers still hate them, you don't hear as much horrible stuff.

    If you look at the top 15 most popular breeds, Rotts, Boxers, AmStaffs (AKC version of Pits), Chichuahuas, Dachshunds, and German Shepherds are all there.  They are also some of the breeds that have the most problem with aggression issues.  Siberian Huskies are at #18, but they are the most frequently cited among the dog breeds that kill other dogs and cats.

    People who buy guardian or working breeds should never assume that the dog can make a correct judgment about who is friend or foe and what is prey and not prey.  That's the problem in a nutshell.  And, as my video of Sequoyah, posted here a few months ago, proves, you can train a herding dog, on cue, not to herd And police departments prove, every day, that you can train a guardian or working dog not to attack except on cue.  If you aren't capable of managing or training a dog to an exquisite level of control, you should NOT own these breeds.

     

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    mehpenn
    Maybe I should ask this question... after looking at the damage this 80 pound dog did to a 1000 pound horse.. would you leave you kid in a room with it?

     

    Absolutely not! I would never leave a child unsuprivised with any dog, regardless of size or strength. ALL dogs are carnivores, with mouths full of very sharp teeth. All dogs can bite, and cause serious damage, particularly to a child. All dogs WILL bite, if the line is crossed, and the line is different for each individual.

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     I am just so sorry for you and your horse.  What a horrible thing to happen Sad

    Just because a dog is safe around peopleit doesn't mean it is safe around other dogs or other animals.... and just because a dog mauls a dog or another animal does not make it a danger to people.  They are different KINDS of aggression.  What you have always believed about PBs is still true, but it is just as true that they are a TERRIER, with a high prey drive..... and and a powerful one at that.

    Or to put it another way, if it had not been a PB would you been so quick to say "it was because it was a <>"? 

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    Would I leave that dog alone with a child? No, of course not. But I don't leave my 13-15lb dogs alone with a child either. That is another case of where lack of education and responsibility leads to accidents. This year I fostered a 16 lbs dog who bit a child in the face. Was it a "vicious attack dog"? Absolutely not. It was dog who was pushed to defensive aggression because it was forced to make its own choices. Is the dog a danger to society? No,it is not.

    This Pitbull isn't suddenly a *changed* dog, although hopefully it's lifestyle will be changed permanently to protect both the dog and livestock. This Pitbull is still the same friendly, social, loves-people-and-life dog that it was before. And it's the same predator that it was before, it's just sad that it had to be a tragic event that caused people to realize what the dog was likely saying all along.

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    mehpenn

    I will admit, that my previous support of pits was based on my general love and acceptance of all dog breeds... I do not agree with random stereotyping.  I had not researched the breed, or any bite statistics, as I simply didn't feel the need to.

    The animal control officer who came out, shared an interesting tidbit of information with us. Within our county, 55% of all dog aggression calls animal control recieves and investigates, involves pit bulls.

    That prompted me to look a little further, to see how other breeds relate.. and in my searching I found this, from dogsbite.org:

    "In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all attacks."

    From edgarsnyder.com

    • Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and American Bulldogs were responsible for 77% of all deaths.
    • Pit Bulls were responsible for 59% of all deaths.
    • Pit Bulls killed more adults than children

    from ehow.com:

    The top 10 most dangerous breeds include 10. Dalmatians, 9.boxers, 8. Presa Canarios, 7. chows, 6. Doberman pinschers, 5. Alaskan malamutes, 4. Siberian huskies, 3. German shepherds, 2. Rottweilers and 1. pit bulls. According to PetPlace.com, pit bulls account for two-thirds of human fatalities resulting from dog attacks.

    As I think about, I admit that my support of the breed was based on lack of knowledge and uneducated.  The more I read, the more concerned I become. 

    Am I saying ALL pits are bad. Absolutely not.  But I do think it's important that we understand and keep in mind what the dogs are/were bred for... and sometimes you just can not train a dog to not follow it's instincts.

    I have a great respect for the breed... I am in no way trying to bash the entire breed. But I do believe this is a dog that has the potential to be extremely dangerous.. and it's not a dog for everyone... and if you're going to own one, you should have to meet tougher restrictions and the owners need to be held accountable. And should the rottweiler or corso or GSD start showing such staggering statistics, then they too, should be included in those restrictions. And ANY dog, be it chihuahua or great dane or pit bull, that bites or attacks any animal or human, should be faced with those same restrictions.

    I know any dog is capable of attacking.... I'm not trying to single the pit out... but statistic show that they are responsible for nearly half of all attacks.. and when you take into consideration the number of breeds there are out there, seeing those statistics should be sobering.



    Firstly, "pit bull" in this context doesn't usually mean the breed (American Pit Bull Terrier).  It means a type.  A dog who looks enough like a Pit.  Truth is, most people don't even know a pit from a dozen other similar looking breeds, or a boxer mix!  And... bang goes the statistics.  A lot of that 77% won't even BE APBTs.... they'll be totally different breeds, or a mix of breeds, with no pit in them.  Secondly, another reason PBs are involved in so many incidents is because they are so popular!  Want to know the bite stats for the UK?  Dog most likely to bite (statistically) is a Lab!  Not because they are most dangerous, just because there are **more of them** !  And if you really want to get hung up on statistics.... Statistically, you are more likely to die from an incident involving a slipper or a balloon than you are from a dog attack (any dog; not just a rottweiler or APBT or any other so-called "dangerous" breed.) 

     

    Again... very sorry about what happened to your horse.  I know that if I were in your position, I would likely be feeling precisely the same.  It is all too easy for me to say that it's emotion talking here for you, not logic or facts.  I really hope your horse recovers well mentally and physically.

    *Edit to add a source for the bit I put in about bite stats;... which I didn't find - yet! - but I did find this!

    A recent study carried out on 6,000 dogs and their owners found out 33 of the most aggressive dogs, and also those which have good temperaments. The study involved collecting data from two different groups. The first group consisted of 11 different breeds and the second was an online survey mainly involving owners, including 33 breeds. The conclusions from both groups were similar. It looked at the different types of aggression such as towards other dogs, towards strangers and towards owners. Some of the results were surprising, below are the top ten most aggressive breed:

    1. Dachshunds
    2. Chihuahua
    3. Jack Russell
    4. Australian Cattle Dog
    5. Cocker Spaniel
    6. Beagle
    7. Border Collie
    8. Pit Bull Terrier
    9. Great Dane
    10. English Springer Spaniel

    Source:  http://www.dogbiteclaims.co.uk/dangerous-breeds.html

     

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    mehpenn

    I will admit, that my previous support of pits was based on my general love and acceptance of all dog breeds... I do not agree with random stereotyping.  I had not researched the breed, or any bite statistics, as I simply didn't feel the need to.

    The animal control officer who came out, shared an interesting tidbit of information with us. Within our county, 55% of all dog aggression calls animal control recieves and investigates, involves pit bulls.

    That prompted me to look a little further, to see how other breeds relate.. and in my searching I found this, from dogsbite.org:

    "In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all attacks."

    From edgarsnyder.com

    • Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and American Bulldogs were responsible for 77% of all deaths.
    • Pit Bulls were responsible for 59% of all deaths.
    • Pit Bulls killed more adults than children

    from ehow.com:

    The top 10 most dangerous breeds include 10. Dalmatians, 9.boxers, 8. Presa Canarios, 7. chows, 6. Doberman pinschers, 5. Alaskan malamutes, 4. Siberian huskies, 3. German shepherds, 2. Rottweilers and 1. pit bulls. According to PetPlace.com, pit bulls account for two-thirds of human fatalities resulting from dog attacks.

      And irresponsible ownership accounts for nearly 100% of dog related fatalities. Since you're researching dog attacks and fatalities, this article should be of great interest to you as it outlines the crcumstances every fatal dog bite in 2009: http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/01/2009-dog-bite-fatalities-final-report.html

       And food for thought: A study done by the University of PA found the three "most aggressive breeds" to be Dachshunds, Chihuahuas and JRTs: "It appears that the study covered just over 3,500 dogs and tested them for aggression vs humans, their owners, and other dogs. According to the numbers, over 50% of Dachshunds showed some type of aggression." http://hubpages.com/hub/Vicious-Dachshunds

    mehpenn
    We've had dozens of dogs on/around/going through our property through the years... and never once have we ever had anything like this happen.  Is it coincidence that it just so happened to be a pit that did it? Maybe so. But is that a chance you're willing to take? Maybe I should ask this question... after looking at the damage this 80 pound dog did to a 1000 pound horse.. would you leave you kid in a room with it?

     People shouldn't leave their kids in a room with any dog unsupervised. People shouldn't trust any dog not to act like a dog. That said, human aggression and animal aggression are not the same thing. Dogs can be extremely animal aggressive and never be anything but social with humans.

     As for the issue of having dogs on your property for years without issue, it's a case of "it's fine until it isn't". If you tolerate your neighbor's dogs on your property, you're taking a risk. It shouldn't have been ok for this dog (or any other dog) to be unsupervised on your property the first time it happened. In the future, be proactive about your expectations of your neighbors to be responsible owners.

     

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    I just want to say that I am very, very sorry about your horse.

    As a pit bull owner I felt compelled to comment even though there has already been much fruitful discussion and I don't really have anything novel to add to the conversation.

     I just want to re-iterate, as has been said; it is really not a dog problem, it is a people problem. I am saddened and disheartened that once again a pit bull, a neighbor and a community is failed by the irresponsible and ignorant actions of the human end of the equation.

    Personally I would never allow any dog to roam; however I would especially not allow a terrier with a high propensity towards animal aggression and the strength and tenacity of a bulldog to roam at will. In the almost 5 years I have had my dog I can say with certainty that she has never killed anything; I don't know what she would do if her prey drive were triggered and opportunity presented itself; and I don't intend to find out. I think it is dispicable that your neighbors put your animals (and their own as well) at risk through their negligence.

    Also this notion of people refusing to accept their dogs as dogs and treating them as such. Why is it so hard to believe that a predator would aggress on prey? The "I never thought my dog would do anything like this" mentality makes me insane. These are the same people who leave their dogs home alone loose and are shocked when one day they come home and find one dead. (Didn't I read somewhere in this thread that someone knew someone who left their pit bull and their JRT crated together? Who would do that????) I understand that my dog was selectively bred for years for dog aggression; on top of which there is the terrier influence and everyone knows terriers are scrappy dogs. Does that mean she can't get along with other dogs and enjoy their company and play? Of course it doesn't. Does it mean that whenever she is interacting with another dog, me and the other owner are doing nothing but paying full attention to our dogs, monitoring their interactions and intervening as we see fit; hell yes! Prevention is worth a pound of cure. Who would want to play fast and loose and take ridiculous chances and unnecessary risk with something you love? Apparently allot of people unfortunately.

    As far as dogs and children...I wouldn't leave  them together unsupervised regardless of breed. I will say I understand that dog/animal aggression and human aggression are two entirely different things; but that said: dogs will be dogs, and kids will be kids...and too often that is not a good combination. Again it boggles my mind the chances people take. I think sometimes it comes down to pure laziness.

    Dog bite statistics...it's a difficult thing to get a handle on if you are interested in accuracy vs. trying to prove a point. "Pit bull" is a generic term. Even if we reserve it purely for American Pit bull terriers, American staffordshire terriers and Staffordshire Bull terriers...there are still over a dozen additional breeds and mixes that get mistaken for "pit bulls". A pit bull bite is a good news story; a lab/boxer mix bite - not so dramatic, so if the dog looks even remotely pit bullish at all it is labeled a pit bull...even when it is something else entirely.

    Not sure where I was really going with any of this; other than to re-iterate that it is always the people behind the dogs that are the problem. I belong to a few pit bull message boards and I always get aggravated when long time owners try to "scare off" potential new owners. I get frustrated with all this talk of "this breed is not for everyone"; like there is some sort of elite society and you have to have special "dog knowledge" to have a pit bull. I guess I have always taken it to heart because I am a first time pit bull owner and frankly...I think I am an exemplary owner. There is nothing hard about owning a pit bull. You simple need to be responsible and exercise common sense and put time and effort into the care, training and supervision of your dog. In other words do the things that all dog owners should do. However with stories like this one; I think I am getting to understand where these folks are coming from and why they don't want "rescue oriented do-gooders" and other newbies getting into the breed. It's not because the dogs are hard dogs to manage; it's because people are lazy and ignorant and too often fail their dogs...and in the process everyone else's.