Anybody ever hear of this maniac

I've been training my own dogs since 1970 ........

 
I've been doing it since 1959.  (jeez, am I old)

ORIGINAL: diane303

I know this guy comes off as someone overdosed on a combination of steroids and testosterone, but what would you do if your dog bit a child in the face?

 
Here's what I DID.  My minpin bit my son (6mos old) at the time in the face, he didn't leave a mark BUT the dog was clearly believing he had more rights than our son (and the dog was sitting in my hubby's lap).
 
He was immediately put into a long down- without any force or anger (even though I was very very upset about it). He did a 30 minute down.  He knew he had made a bad choice, as he laid there and shook= all this w/out the humans yelling or hitting.
Then we immediately implemented NILIF (nothing in life is free) method. He earns everything- every ball toss, every morsel of food, every pat, every snuggle.  He is Not allowed UP on things- sofas, beds, etc. He is forced to move by humans if he is lying in the way of our path. And much more.
 
He was quickly demoted.  It took a few bumps on his part trying to see how far back up the pack he can get. And he still tries. He gets away with more with my husband- mostly getting up on the sofa and sitting in laps. He says he just doesn't notice this- and so I have to correct the minpin and make him get off.
 
Now I'm not sure what I would do if the dog actually drew blood.  I love my dogs but I will not hold them over any of my children.  I have told hubby that in the event he ever bites again, he's out.  Being that he's 10 and has a long standing history with dominance problems and biting, I fear the only option for him is euthanasia, should it come to that.
Thankfully though, with 2 years of consistent NILIF and corrections when needed, the dog is a great pet.
 
In your daughter's situation- should she have any young children, tehy should be taught never to go near a dog when it's eating or chewing or resting. It gets old telling a toddler time and again to not bother the puppies when they are eating, but eventually, they get it.
 

Good job Shamrockmommy!

shamrockmommy - I advised my stepdaughter to do what you did.  Your method of dealing with your dog exactly follows susan Garret's technique in Ruff Love.  Too many people with little dogs think that it is so cute to have a little guy running around thinking that he rules the household until something like this happens. 

Dogs are not fur babies.  They are adult creatures who appeciate and thrive in a structured pack environment.  I have three dogs.  None of them are alphas - I am.

ORIGINAL: diane303
Too many people with little dogs think that it is so cute to have a little guy running around thinking that he rules the household until something like this happens. 

Dogs are not fur babies.  They are adult creatures who appeciate and thrive in a structured pack environment. 

 
I get tired of hearing the whole its a small dog therefore it gets away with stuff.  I know there are people who do let these dogs misbehave because of their size.  I do not let my Shih tzu get away with things.  I treat him no differently then the large breed dogs I have had.  There are some of us who do not let our little guys act like jerks because they are small.  He still is a dog and he is required to behave properly.  I have my dog in obedience classes now...because I want him to learn how to properly act in public...he is doing wonderful at it.  He is very good when meeting other dogs he sniffs and wags his tail.  He is non agressive and is a good little dog.
Let's not pigeon hole small dog owners.  I would say it is uninformed owners.  I think obedience training and socialization are very important to having a well behaved animal.

Anne just said this in a slightly different form but I still want to post because I've been thinking about this today. In my life, "it works" is an insufficient justification for doing anything. If it works but it's unethical, it's not good enough. If it works but it's unfair, it's not good enough. If it works but there's a better way, it's not good enough. If it works but it does not jibe with my personal morality, it's not good enough for me. What if I were in a position at work in which I could get a huge promotion - I just have to make a move that will betray and hurt my best friend. It will work. Would I do it? No. Getting the result I want at the cost of doing something I believe is unethical is not something I choose to do. This is how I see something like the Leerburg method of "training." Maybe he does get results - the dogs behave. (Though I'm skeptical, let's just says that's true.) But if to get that result I have to behave inhumanely toward an animal whose whole wellbeing is in my hands, I won't do it, period.

Jones a BRILLIANT post.
 
I don't care how long this guy is "training" and if  it works, why treat any living creature that way when we know for sure there is a better way to accomplish the same goal.

I honestly cant figure out why his site is allowed to have such content.  Animal abuse is illegal so why is advoctaing it on the internet legal???  Child abuse is illegal and I bet they would shut down  site where some maniac said to beat your child till they thought they were going to die.  It IS illegal to do this to a dog.... he should not be able to broadcast his poison.

[:@] someone should find that guy and beat HIM with a wet rag![:@]

Amy you bring up a good point wonder if we sent the link to the humane society what they would think?

I tried to look up a few places to report it but Ive been really busy today - just checking in here and there.  Tomorrow we are having a huge luau... I WILL spend the time necessary to look around.  I thought about the humane society but wasnt sure if they would take action.  

ORIGINAL: Tashmoo5454

Good dog training is not rocket science, it's common sense."

Here's the quote from his website.  So common sense tells him to beat an animal?  i'm hoping he doesn't have kids.

I have a terrier.  Those of you with terriers, know that hitting a terrier, or any dog, but especially terriers is not common since.  He doesn't know that first thing about dogs.  He's just out to make a buck.  He's probably the type of trianer that has "private" lessons with you dog.  And then you get the poor dog back and he's lost all his spirit.

I can take a chew toy out of Shadow's mouth and have never had to trick him into doing it. Just a good temperment. This is different than when we're playing tug with the football. Then, that's a game, but yet he will release it when ready for a toss and run. I'm just blessed, I guess.
 

I really wish some of you would learn to read what is written rather than what you believe is written.

Leerburg was mentioned as one extreme that works ~ he's not the first to use those training methods and probably wont be the last either.
The opposite was mentioned as another extreme that as far as I can make out works with dogs that would probably behave anyway.... my opinion after handling so called trained dogs who couldn't be trusted.

I suggested a middle ground.

Kids are not in my dogs faces 24/7, my eldest grand daughter is 20 and I'm darn sure she has better things to do, as do the others. Who the hell said that my dogs were constantly pestered by me or others?

One kid wandered in without any warning when his mothers back was turned and picked up the dogs food bowl, shit happens but the Chow had an automatic sit trained into him just in case, no different to all my previous dogs of various breeds.

I believe all dogs should be safe to handle by anyone at anytime. Vets, vet nurses, Council dog rangers. Anyone if let out by feral kids, Anyone after a car accident etc.
Suppose I should add forest fires & floods to the list when you dog may have to be rescued by a stranger.

Want on earth is wrong with that?

Someone asked a question about a dog who growled.  That is not extreme.
 
His answer was "pull your head out of your ass"  "beat him till he thinks hes going to die"  "beat him till his balls shrink"
 
That fact that you can somehow defend his advice utterly amazes me.