VERY irritated with vet

    • Gold Top Dog

    VERY irritated with vet

    O.K. I need to vent. Usually I have a problem or question or something, but this is my first venting post. You can tell me if I'm being funky about this too. I won't mind.
     
    For those of you who don't know, I have a 1 year old, female, Australian Cattle Dog (Queensland Heeler, Blue Heeler, etc) named Ash. Also, if you aren't familiar with the breed, ACD's CAN be protective and wary of strangers. When I first got Ash, I researched vets in my area EXTENSIVELY. I decided and our vet was great. On one of our visits, Ash growled at her when she came in, but our vet ignored it and just went about her business and Ash was fine after that.
     
    Well, this great vet moved out of state and I was assigned another vet at that hospital and my first visit with her (when Ash was about 6 months) did not go well. Ash and I were waiting in the exam room and the vet creeped in. Yes, she creeped in. When she came in, she stayed right by the door and didn't even come over to shake my hand. Ash wasn't growling or anything. Just sniffing around on the ground and sniffed the vet's feet. No growl, no nothing. This vet stood still and didn't make a move any closer to us. After I explained that Ash had been vomiting and had diarhhea for two days, she asked me to put Ash on the table. I did and then she asked me to open Ash's mouth so she could examine inside. I did that as well. She asked me to feel around Ash's belly and tell her told me what to feel for. Basically, I was giving my dog an exam that I was paying her to do. She had me hold open her eyelids and she flashed a light in them. I was confused at this point. Also, by this time Ash was nervous and finicky. The vet hadn't even touched my dog. So she tries to tell me that Ash will be o.k. and I say, "But you haven't even examind her. How do you know?" and she said everything seemed fine. I wasn't satisfied and she said, "Fine. I'll get a vet tech to take a look at her." and she took Ash into the back. This lady was petrified of my baby! She wouldn't even come near her. Ash had done nothing to make her nervous.
     
    I moved not too long after that and had to find a new vet. I began boarding Ash at this new place a few times a week and the kennel attendents were great. So when it came time for Ash to have to see the vet again, I was expecting it to go o.k. This time I took Ash in because some neon green stuff was secreting from her right eye. Once again, Ash and I were waiting in the exam room and the vet waks in. This ladt also, stayed right by the door and I was once again, confused. This one, however, looked very haughty and stuck-up. She asked what was wrong and I told her. She walked over slowly, with one hand in the air raised like a claw, and tried to look at Ash's eye. When she got close, Ash growled a little bit. I told Ash to be good and Ash just waited. The lady came closer, with her hand still raised and in claw formation, and when she got to Ash she held her eyelid opne (no growling or anything) and then she just jumped back. She said, "Can you hold her still please? I've heard these breeds are aggressive and I'd like to take extra precautions." I couldn't believe my ears. Ash wasn't even moving. I held her anyways, and Ash remained still. The lady came closer and pulled her eyelid open again. Then she AGAIN, pulled away.
     
    She looked at me and asked, "Does she bite?" I said, "Ash is very well-behaved. She does not bite. She's being very calm right now and letting you open her eyelid without giving you any problems. You're going to make her nervous if you keep jumping back." She then asked me if I could hold open her eyelid, which I did. She flashed a light in it and then she said that it looked like there was a scratch underneath the eyelid. She offered me the option of doing a "stain" on the eye to really be able to tell what was wrong and I said yes. She said, "I'll have to take her back now then." She walked over VERY slowly and Ash growled. The vet looks at me and says, "See, I've heard these dogs do that." Well yeah! My dog is scared of you because you were scared of her! I was about to let this lady have it, but I kept my cool. She leashed Ash and then grabbed her by the collar and Ash tried to nip at her hand. The lady let go and jumped back like a firecracker had just gone off. She said, "I KNEW that would happen." That's all it took for me to say what was on my mind.
     
    I told the vet that if she couldn't handle the examination then she needed to get me another vet that could. I told her that Ash had been very well-behaved and that SHE was the one who had come in with preconceived notions about how my dog was going to behave. She had made Ash nervous and frankly, with the way the vet was behaving, I waas surprised Ash didn't growl more or wasn't more aggrresive with her. Instead, Ash listened to me and let the vet open her eyelid MULTIPLE times without any problem at all. If she didn't approach my baby like she was a bomb, then I KNOW Ash wouldn't have growled at her at all.
     
    I requested another vet to examine Ash more thoroughly or I wouldn't be paying for the visit. Another vet came in and guess what? Ash had no problem with this vet. This vet had no qualms about Ash or her breed.
     
    I decided to only have Ash see that vet and so when I had to take her yesterday to renew her bordatella vaccine, I requested that we see that vet. I know vet tech can adminster the vaccine so I said that if it was going to be a vet tech, please give me someone who was comfortable enough to do their job. (I didn't say in that plain of terms. I was more polite.) So I took Ash in and who do they give me? A vet tech that ALSO was nervous. I asked her how long she had been an RVT to try and strike up pleasant conversation as well as find out if her nervousness stemmed from being fairly new to the business or from something else. She's been and RVT for 5 years. She was going to adminster it through the nose with a spray and informed me that she was nervous around aggressive breeds. I was frustrated, but not upset because she was at least honest with me and didn't seem like she had an attitude.
     
    I understand that someone may have had a bad experience with a particular breed or has heard about certain breed characteristics, but this went too far. Those 2 vets had judged Ash because of her breed and it really upset me. I was receiving inadequate care because of there hang-ups. If you can't handle all dogs properly, then my opinion is you shouldn't be a vet. Or if you know you are uneasy with a certain breed, have another vet take that exam. There is no reason that myself or Ash should have to suffer the consequences of someone elses issues.
     
     I honestly wasn't aware that there was such a stigma attached to ACD's as being overly aggressive. When I calm down, I try and understand where these people are coming from, but it frustrates me because I don't want to go through this every time I need to see a vet. What if I had an emergency and needed to take Ash in asap and that vet that had been comfortable wasn't working or something? Then I'd have to deal with the other vet. I don't like that.
     
    I know some of you may not agree with me on this and I apologize if anyone was somehow offended, but I needed to vent.
     
    Thanks for listening.
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    That's CRAZY! My vets know that Emma bites. Her breed is known for it, but they never judged her by her breed. It's WRONG to judge a dog by it's breed. They have learned how to handle her to make her do better, and one vet will even sit and give kisses and pets with her, and she really loves him. It's all in the way it's handled. She is MUCH better now, mostly because of the way they handle her. They are gentle, patient, move slowly, TALK TO HER, and give her a treat when they're done. That vet would have heard more than a few words from me.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Ashland, I say you have a very legitamate gripe. I do know from experience if one of our vets is nervous or the dog is aggressive, they will muzzle it and continue with the exam.
     
    I understand your frustrations. It does make a huge dif if the vet tech or vet act nervous around the dog they are attending because the dog will and does pick up on that very quickly. I hope you can find another vet that is not a scaredy cat.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Wow I would be irritated to say the least!  I've never heard that about cattle dogs being aggressive.  Maybe more reserved, but never agressive.  What morons!  I say you have every right to be peeved.  You deserve the same care that everyone else who walks in the door gets.  In my opinion they may scare themselves out of a job if they're afraid of dogs...
     
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    Thank you! My mom didn't think I was overreacting, but a friend of mine did. She doesn't own any animals though. I just can't get over how I've had to deal with this more than once. It's ridiculous.
    • Gold Top Dog
    My Vet won't see Java (small Chow mix) without having me muzzle her.  She has growled when he walks in, but has never bitten anyone...she thinks she is my protector.  A year ago, when she started to go blind, we took her to the opthalmologist at UGA, and she let them do all their testing with no problem at all.  All went fine for the next visit, also.  So yes, I think my Vet is apprehensive of her and she knows it...and for the same reasons.  I understand how you feel, but you never know what may have happened to make them feel that way.  They probably get as much training in behavior as they do in nutrition!
    • Bronze
    I think you have full cause to feel/respond the way you are/do!
     
    We had a 'blue heeler' growing up and i've never heard about any type of aggression with these dogs.  The worse that happened was she tried to herd us every now and again.. but not often 'cause she had a bunch of animals to herd when she wanted to.  :)
     
    So odd... I totally agree with you
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    Ashland I SO hear you!  Cuma is not the best patient as he is very fearful.  Two of the three vets I've used have handled this very well, and been confident and loving with him.  My last vet was a TOTALLY different story. 
     
    He tried to convince me that Cuma was trying to dominate him - this is while my dog is cowering on the ground, tail pinned to the underside of his belly.  Once when giving Cuma a shot, my dog snapped at the vet.  The vet *ran* over to the sink and held his hand up to the light like he was just waiting for the blood to start pouring out.  He looked pretty disappointed that there wasn't even the slightest mark on him. [:o]
     
    Oh yeah, and then he tried to convince me that Cuma is a huge liability and I need to keep him away from people.  Um, not only has this dog never hurt a person or animal, Cuma is practically the neighborhood mascot and is a favorite with all my family and friends.  I am SO glad I found someone who understands both of us. 
     
    Whew, sorry but your rant sparked me to rant too! [:D]
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    cumasmommy- I totally understand! Ash has never hurt anyone, but she's not stupid either and can tell when someone doesn't like her or is scared of her. It makes her scared and nervous too. It's like she's saying, "If you don't want to come near me, then I don't WANT you to come near me. You might hurt me." She's such a good dog and I really think it's because these vets have preconceived notions about her breed or maybe had a bad experience. I don't know what the deal is, but I expect them to leave it at the door when they examine my baby or don't examine her at all.
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    WOW! That's just obsurd for someone that is in the profession to act in that manner.  Call me crazy but I feel that if you can't handle ALL aspects of the job then you shouldn't be in it.  You definitely handled much better than I wouldhave that's for sure.  They probably would have escorted me out LOL [sm=banghead002.gif][sm=talker.gif]
    • Silver
    I used to be a groomer many moons ago.  When I first started I worked for a vet.  One time I was to groom this beautiful red chow.  As soon as she walked in the front door the vet tech ran over, put a muzzle on her and then took her back.  I was puzzled as to why.....She might bite, she is a chow you know....is what I was told.  Well I am a firm believer that you don't judge a book by its cover, so when I go to groom her I remove the muzzle.  I couldn't groom her for all the licking I was getting.  She was in NO WAY aggressive.  From then on she did not get muzzled when she came in. 
     
    If you are going to be scared, then why put yourself in the position to have to deal with that on a daily basis.  How sad!
     
     
    • Gold Top Dog
    I can understand why you are frustrated.  The vet handled that situation in a very odd way.  The DVM I take my dogs to is afraid of my Rottweiler.  Which is fine, he is a rough and tumble dog, he will bite!  I just muzzle him before anyone comes in and all goes well.  He doesn't flinch or growl...
     
    If the vet was so uncomfortable why didn't they just slap a muzzle on for a few minutes and do a proper exam? 
     
    Everyone is entitled to there own opinion on breeds, and life experience tends to affect attitude toward a breed.  The vet could have handled this in a much more professional manner, and left her personal feelings at the door.
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    Doggie discrimination, it's a sad and frustrating thing.
     
    I'm thinking about researching vets again. I don't just want one good vet. I want a hospital where all of the staff are equipped to do their jobs as they are supposed to. Like I said before, if I had to take Ash in for an emergency, I want to know that whichever vet handles her, isn't going to scared once they see the breed name on her file. I also don't like questioning whether or not Ash was given the proper care, which is what I did for next few days after I took her for that stomach problem I mentioned. Did she get a thorough examination? Did they miss something because they were to scared to really check? I live on an EXTREMELY tight budget, but I pay very good money to take EXCELLENT care of Ash and I expect quality care, not mediocrity.
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    I have a blue heeler, Dingo and in the 6 yrs. we've had him he has never acted aggressive with anyone. He is a typical heeler when it comes to herding and the occassional nip, but thats all. I don't think I've ever heard of the breed being aggressive.
    • Gold Top Dog
    Well, ACDs can be aggressive- just like a poodle or a cocker or a border collie can be aggressive. I know than any dog can bite, and the truth is- if you are fearful they smell it. I'm going to tackle this from a professional point of view (I don't work in the veterinary feild, but I am a groomer"
     
    We had one groomer a while back that we called the "Chow Whisperer" who bred and raised chows. (hers are very sweet by the way- if any show aggressive tendencies- they are neutered right away) If we did a chow, then they'd be growling and snapping, but the minute she put her hand on those dogs, they were quieted, and while they didn't get all "golden retriever" with her, they certainly quieted down and let us finish- most of the time.
     
    As far as me? I can be apprehensive of Chows and Shar-peis sometimes as it is hard to read their body language, but then again I'm also apprehensive of chihuhuas! (one of them got me hard when I was trimming it's nails- small but it has a big bite!) I absolutely love rotties and bully breeds- most i've met are very sweet.
     
    Our ACD that we had for 6 months (whom we rescued at age 14) was only aggressive to other dogs- (mainly Daisy) durring dinner-time- but that was because she had been on the streets for so long! She was a total sweetheart to people though- very submissive.
     
    I've noticed that herding breeds go either way- either they think that they're queen/king of the castle, and you aren't touching them where they don't want to be touched. (not singling out any breeds on purpose- but my experience with working with dogs being groomed- corgis and border collies are likely to do that) or they're like your pup and are apprehensive of the whole experience. With all herding breeds, I do everything slowly. with fast movements you don't know if they'll think you're livestock or something! (it has happened before- I was reaching for my comb quickly and an aussie grabbed my arm)
     
    I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your vet. I really don't know what you should do though. I wish I had some advice.