kennel names, etc

Jaime, you've got me totally confused. Actually, not really confused, but i'm not sure what word I am looking for, or if it exists. Anyway, if some Amstaffs are dual registered with AKC and UKC, if the UKC were to make Amstaffs a seperate breed,  what would those dual registered dogs be? Would they stay as Pits because they are already registered that way, would they become Amstaffs, for what reason I do not know, or maybe something different that i'm not even thinking of? Also, if the same dog can be both an Amstaff and a Pit, and can be a dual champion, then how is there enough difference between the two to make Amstaffs a seperate breed in the UKC?
And, although unrelated to the above, but still a question about kennel names, so I hope i'm not pissing anyone off and hijacking the thread, how many characters do you get in an AKC registration name, and what about a  UKC name? I thought I heard 25, but i'm not sure about that, and I have no clue if that's supposed to include the kennel name. Lastly, what's considered a valid character? Is it only letters, or can you have numbers, symbols, etc, in the name?

I can cover the registration questions!  (I'm bored and no one has answered it yet ...)

AKC

• Name choices are limited to thirty (30) letters. Spaces between words, apostrophes and hyphens are counted.  Note:  The last dog I registered was 2 yrs ago and I was only allowed 25 letters and spaces, so I don't know if they've reverted back to the old days (we used to get 30, then 28, then 25).
  
• All letters in a dog's name are limited to the standard English alphabet. Diacritical markings (accent grave, accent acute, umlaut, etc.) are not printed on Registration Certificates in a dog's name. When Registration Certificates are printed, all letters are capitalized.
  
• A Registered Kennel Name cannot be included in a dog's name unless its use is authorized by the owner of the name.
• Roman numerals must not be included at the end of the dog's name. The AKC reserves the right to assign roman numerals for identification purposes.
• The AKC permits thirty-seven (37) dogs of each breed to be assigned the same name.
• Words and phrases that may not be included in a dog's name:
  • Champion, champ, sieger or any other AKC title or show term, either spelled out or abbreviated.
  • Obscenities and words derogatory to any race, creed or nationality or transliterations of such words.
  • Kennel(s), male, stud, sire, bitch, dam and female.
  • Breed names alone.
  • There are no restrictions on arabic (1, 2, 3), cardinal (one, two, three) and ordinal (first, second, third) numbers that are spelled out.

UKC

• The dog's name shall not exceed 30 letters and spaces and must consist of at least two words.
  
• Abbreviations may be used anywhere in a dog's name, e.g., Mo. River Rambler. No abbreviation may be used before or after a dog's name if the abbreviation is the same as any title or other special designation offered by UKC, e.g., "PR,” or "CH.”
  
• The owner's first or last names may be used anywhere in the dog's name and in any combination. Examples: Sally's Dog, Sally Sue's Dog, Smith's Dog, Sally Smith's Dog, etc.
  
• Punctuation in the dog's registered name will be exactly as it is written on the Bill of Sale. For example, if the name on the Bill of Sale is "Smith Bill,” it will not be changed by the Registration Department to "Smith's Bill.”
  
• Official UKC designations such as "PR,” "CH,” etc., will be added to the dog's name by the Registration Department and do not count against the 30 letters and spaces.
  
• The owner of a dog of any breed may change the dog's name as often as the owner likes until the dog receives a title from the United Kennel Club or has produced UKC registered offspring. The name of this dog that has earned a title may not be changed or has produced UKC registered offspring.
  
• When an alteration has been made to the Bill of Sale, the document is considered void. Alterations include white out, cross-out's, erasures or other changes made to the document after the Bill of Sale was completed. The name of the dog may be changed or altered on the Bill of Sale without the document being considered void.
  
• When transferring ownership of a dog, the dog's name will remain exactly the same unless the new owner enters a new name in the space provided. For instance, if John Smith purchases a dog registered as "Johnson's Magic,” the name would not be changed to "Smith's Magic” unless Mr. Smith writes that name in the space provided for name changes on the Bill of Sale.
  
• United Kennel Club, Inc. reserves the right to change or deny lewd or offensive names. UKC will determine what is lewd or offensive.

You can use a kennel name or not - it's not a requirement by AKC or UKC, although many breeders want their kennel name to be included in the name of all their offspring so they can be identified as coming from their bloodline merely by looking at the name. There is another huge difference in the number of times you can 'rename' a dog in UKC, while AKC you can only change it once and only under certain circumstances.

I'll also add that with AKC, if you have a name and it's a few to several letters over...if you enclose a nice letter basically asking them nicely to let it go...they usually will!
 
They will...if you don't do this...sometimes abbrev the name THEMSELVES which can really alter the name of the dog...so in same letter I let them know I have an alternate name and NOT to abbreviate the one I sent in, isaypleaseandthankya.

We ran into a problem with my mom's dog.  His name was Reignmaker Nonesuch As I.  Unfortunately, the *I* is considered a Roman numeral and couldn't be used.  I think they sent the papers to her as "XXX Nonesuch As", which made no sense.  When she explained to them that it was an *I* and not Roman numeral 1, they tried to fix it but their computer wouldn't accept it!  She finally had to make it "Nonesuch As I Am" and we're trying to adjust.  Sometimes the rules are annoying, because they are so black and white when it comes to computers.  [8|]

So that's why so many of the purebreds that people have are named like they are.  I thought that the kennel name had to be in there, but it makes sense, advertising for your line, but what happens when you have a litter sired by another kennel, who gets the naming rights then, or is that all up to the owners of the litter (assuming that the owners of the bitch are the owners of the litter, because there can be co-owners of a litter, right?)  Do dogs get more "points" or some kind of credit when they produce a champion or if their parents become a champion or achieve a higher title after the dog is born?  I mean if Smith's Big Dog was shown, had a couple of points on him, sired a litter and one of his pups went on to become a Grand Champion or something, does Smith's Big Dog get some kind of recognition or something and vice versa with the parent becoming a champion, do the pups get any kind of recognition?
 
Griffinej5, Jen right?, you totally didn't hijack the thread, I was wondering how to ask the same question about the Pit Bull vs AmStaff, you just beat me to it.

Yup Terri, you got my name right. I meant that about the number of letters in the name thing, cause that's not really what you wanted to know about.
And about the # of characters, I have no idea when it was changed, but I swore I heard 25 at some point while watching a dog show on tv. Maybe I did hear that number, if it wasn't changed a really long time ago.

Nope you still hit on a question that was curious about, once you typed it I thought, oh yeahh.....that's a good question too.....
 
The whole thing is fascinating to me and I have zero frame of reference but a friend of mine is just getting into it.  She just entered into a contract with a boxer breeder in Colorado and she is "leasing the bitch", finishing her in the show ring and then has rights to her next litter which I think is going to be her last, but the owner gets pick of the litter I think and then my friend gets to keep the bitch forever when she is done.  But currently the dog lives with my friend.  Now what all this means, I'm still shaky on, but I think I get the gist of it....but clarification is greatly welcomed!