kennel names, etc

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    kennel names, etc

    I was looking at the website [linkhttp://www.yorkkennels.com/]http://www.yorkkennels.com/[/link]
    and when I went to [link
    http://www.nucks-amstaffs.com/]www.nucks-amstaffs.com[/link]   the way that the dogs names are listed is different.  On the York site they put "PR" in front and sometimes the CH, but not always.  There is also DNA-P on the end too.  What do all these abreviations mean?  On Jamie's site most of the dogs have CH in front but it looks like some of the parents of the dogs don't.  Does the CH mean Champion?  There is a lot of info on there but I don't understand what all it means.  So, I thought I would ask.
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    The AKC (and I'm sure other registries as well) has abbriviations for different titles that a dog earns.  Here is a list of the AKC titles, it may be helpful
    [linkhttp://www.akc.org/events/titles.cfm?SEARCH_BUTTON.X=10%5C&SEARCH_BUTTON.Y=12]http://www.akc.org/events/titles.cfm?SEARCH_BUTTON.X=10\&SEARCH_BUTTON.Y=12[/link]

    If a dog is member of other registries you may have to do some searching for the abbriviations that are not associated with the AKC

    Hope that helps!
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    I think it may be a ukc term, but I'm not sure. Maybe it means preferred registry? 
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    'PR' is a UKC term meaning the dog has a "purple ribbon" lineage...all that means is that it has UKC registered relatives that make up it's pedigree back a certain amount of generations. It's basically like a membership card stating nothing more than the breeder has registered litters with UKC, from UKC registered parents, for a number of years. If a dog has even ONE relation in the 3rd gen that WASN'T born to UKC rgeistered parents then it cannot be a PR dog...it's UKC registered bred to UKC registered...for a certain amount of generations.
     
    Again not a statement of quality so much as loyalty to the UKC. DNA-P likely just means DNA profile is on file with the registry.
     
    Here's UKC's explanation:
    "[size=2][font=arial]Purple Ribbon ('PR') Pedigree. In the early part of the 1930s, UKC registered and trademarked with the United States Department of Commerce the Purple Ribbon Pedigree. This pedigree is only offered by the United Kennel Club, Inc., and is the mark of the United Kennel Club purebred dog. The Purple Ribbon designation is awarded to eligible dogs at birth by the United Kennel Club and is signified in all UKC records by the letters 'PR' appearing before the dog's name.

    • Purple Ribbon-bred dogs have six generations of known ancestors and all 14 ancestors within the last three generations must be registered with UKC (indicated by all 14 ancestors having registration numbers). The absence of a UKC registration number shows that there are some single-registered dogs in the pedigree and no 'PR' pedigree will be issued.
    • Breeders who wish to produce Purple Ribbon-bred puppies must either: breed Purple Ribbon-registered males to Purple Ribbon-registered females, thereby assuring that the offspring will carry this prestigious designation; or carefully research the pedigrees of potential sires and dams that are not Purple Ribbon bred. If an unregistered ancestor is in the third generation of a sire or dam's pedigree, it is possible for that sire or dam to produce a first generation Purple Ribbon-bred litter. If one or more single-registered dogs appear in the first or second generation of the sire or dam's pedigree, the offspring will not be Purple Ribbon bred.
    • The registration certificates and pedigrees of Purple Ribbon-bred dogs bear the official 'PR'. The ancestors of Purple Ribbon-bred dogs can be traced for six generations and possibly more-perhaps to the foundation stock of the breed"
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    It looks to me like the York kennel prefers to show and use the UKC registry...and Jaime uses AKC. They titles and abbreviations are different for that reason. [:)]
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    As Gina said above the "PR" is designated as UKC "Purple Ribbon bred"
    The York dogs are UKC and some are AKC/UKC registered as is my Willie(the whiteheaded boy in my signature picture) who is the first Am Staff I purchased when we wanted to get into showing as a family. So you will see the PR designating UKC on the York site. Ginny from what I have heard has not been showing as much as she did in the past. It has been many years since we were in contact. She has bred some wonderful dogs and I absolutely love my boy and his temperament. Her tradmark in her breeding program is her heads and temperament, her dogs are all around family companions who excell in any venue of compitition consistantly.
     
    My dogs, although I started with Willie AKC/UKC, are all AKC registered. I prefer to keep my dogs AKC registered and do not participate in UKC events(personal preference) The dogs on my site are all out of Champion parents except two which one was given to my son as a Christmas girft, Bubba who's mother was shown but never championed before she was bred by two seperate owners until was aquired her at a late age(our Julie we lost in the fall) her name is "Mantu Down Town Julie Brown" as well as "Kar-Ron's Spring Fling" who is from a leased breeding we used from our friends, She ;previously produced a top winning bitch I was in love with who my friend offered to me, she was also offered $8,000 for this girl to be sent to Finland. I couldn't see me taking this dog when she could have been a multiple country champion and I suggested my friend send her to Finland. For that she offered me the breeding to repeat as my own which produced my "Sonny", who we also lost this past fall and his sister who is pictured on our girls page "Kar-Ron's Wanna B Jessy Girl" aka Jessy who is my daughters dog, soon to be spayed, she was shown,has a few points but her bite went off and I will never breed her. Sad as that breeding really produced some fine looking dogs and should she have held together or Sonny not have had his issues might have given me something to really work with going forward...such is life of the show breeder [:@]
     Many dogs will become Champions for one reason or another but evaluating them is key. Knowing the faults in your breed and acknowledging them is valuable. Dogs who are not Champions can produce Champions and because a dog is a Champion doesn't mean it will produce Champions. Educated, dedicated and honest breeders know this and will make their decissions by the choices they have.
     
    Sorry that was so long, hope it helps. If you have any other questions please ask, there is never any harm in trying to learn more for yourself [:D]
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    Fascinating!  Gina, since you are a breeder, do you double register your dogs AKC and UKC or do you just go with one registry for a reason?  I would like to know what other breeders do.  I am not sure I fully understand the differences between the registries.  I always thought UKC was in England....(obviously I am don't breed or show dogs for a reason!  hahahaha)
     
    I have heard that the CKC, Continental Kennel Club, is pretty much a fly-by night sort of operation but don't really know what that means, do they not do shows and things?
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    Both my bitches are dual registered with AKC/UKC, Susie has points and has been shown in conformation with them...and I will be registering Nonnie's litter with them as well, as Strider the sire was also UKC (a conformation Ch). Susie's boy I'm keeping, having a non UKC sire...will be single registered with UKC later.
     
    I am considering transitioning totally over to UKC for shows due to AKC taking some stances and doing some things that I am not comfortable with...but it's hard to do as AKC has so many more shows per annum than UKC...but they are getting more numerous in my area...which is good!
     
    UKC was devloped for working dogs, those that hunt, field dogs, etc. The showing aspect came later. There are good and bad things about both registries but on the whole I prefer the "feel' of UKC events to AKC...but many people do both and have success :)
     
    CKC is the Canadian Kennel Club...to be totally correct. The "ConKenCl" is indeed a puppy mill registry that seems to register anything for the right price...just like the APR and UKCI...and many others.
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    So the UKC and AKC are both good but maybe just better for some people because of the politics/and that one is more centered on conformation and the other on fieldwork?  I was under the impression that most dogs that are champion in fieldwork aren't generally in the running for confirmation.  Is that true?  If it is, then how is the fieldwork different from the confirmation standards, aren't you trying to breed a "standard" dog?  I've heard about dogs being ok to show in field but that they wouldn't be able to show in confirmation, I don't get that.
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     I would like to add that UKC showing American Pit Bull Terriers  you see a different "type" of owner then what you find AKC, American Staffordshire Terriers as well as the "look" of the dogs. I have done a few UKC shows with Willie and he is pointed but I much prefer the AKC shows and the people I have met there then the experiences I had found with the UKC shows.
    Gina's breed is different and I agree with her regarding what the AKC is working on. I would switch all my dogs over to UKC if they would recognize Am Staffs as Am Staffs, seperately from APBT's
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    I guess I am just full of questions today.....[:D]  What exactly is the difference between and American Staffordshire Terrier and an American Pit Bull Terrier?  I can see the difference from the Bull Stafforshire Terrier, but someone asked me the question the other day and I don't really know.  And are there field standards for AmStaffs or APBT?
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    Am Staffs and APBT's if you traced back into the pedigrees would have the same common ancestors. The difference is that the Am Staff breeders have typically(not all but most) have been breeding for a less animal aggressive dog then the APBT breeders. You can find that the standards are very similar conformationally speaking other then color but there is no field standard as in "working dog" type. Both breed can do many varied tasks such as search and rescue, tracking, herding, agility, obedience, etc and should never be human aggressive.

    Please ask any questions you might have, an educated person is a valuable asset to both breeds[:D]
     
    ETA: I should also say, another difference is the registry as Am Staffs can be registered with UKC but APBT's can't be registered with AKC unless their ancestors were AKC registered and they have only been purely bred with AKC dogs.
    Also, UKC APBT's can have red noses where as AKC Am Staffs MUST be black nosed
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    Well all I can say about the shows UKC with APBT's....they have always been extremely well behaved dogs, and A LOT of them. I have walked my Beagle thru a mass..and I mean a MASS of them waiting ringside, and gotten nothing but wagging tails and smiling faces on the dogs :) I've not ever seen many in the AKC show's I've been to...so cannot compare persee..only state what I've witnessed. I was pleasantly surprised by the dogs...and their temperaments. I saw worse temperaments on some of the Poodles there, no joke! They are HUGE some of them...and in very hard hard condition.
     
    Their "people" tend to be more blue collar and workman like..but there is one man here who is always dressed to the 9's in suit and tie. They all sit together in groups around the site...are very amiable, willing to help out if someone needs it. I've gotten congrats from them...they don't even know me...as they walk by and see the ribbons on my ex pens..."well done...congratulations on your wins" etc. I;ve also never seen poor sportsmanship of anykind. They seem to enjoy being there, and enjoy their sport...always lots of clapping, hootin and hollerin' on the judging finale's!
     
    I will also say they talk endlessly about their dogs, lol..bloodlines, faults, assets...we've set up next to them at time and the discussions are riveting and it's not even my breed!
     
    So that's been my experience of the APBT at UKC events. I've never watched a weight pull tho I want to soon! That's their other big event for APBT's.
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    Gina,
     That is because of where you are. There is a totally different respect there. Where I was showing(three different states on the East Coast) it was much different, I went several different times in 3 states and found the same crowd with the same attutudes. They were more of the "Pit Bull" machoism type people. I actually found the AKC people more welcoming and social as well as helpful. I'm sure the crowd has changed over the past 10 years and things are different but as I went AKC I have not single registered my Am Staffs as APBT's, Again, I really wish that the UKC would register the Am Staffs as a seperate breed. I believe they have changed over the years and no true APBT person wants any Am Staff blood in their pedigree. UKC is more relaxed atmosphere and baiting is not permitted which is good IMO. I learned from my early days in UKC to train my guys without bait [:D]
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    I also show my Collies AKC and UKC and have found the same experience with the APBT people that Gina has.  They are very well dressed, for the most part very sportsmanlike, and quick to lend a hand.  Also, the American Hairless Terrier folks have adopted us and are our biggest fans!  lol