Republican/Conservative Corner

    • Gold Top Dog

    I heard that too and think some of these bailout ideas are ridiculous Super Angry

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    cc431
    So Hilliary wants to but a freeze on foreclosures to a tune of 30 billion.  You bought a condo for 350K in a real estate "bubble" realistically worth about 80K, that you couldn't afford in the first place, so the tax payers have to bail out the financially retarted....wonderful.

     

     Yes I think Rush called her plan "the blueprint to destroy prosperity" or something like that.

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    cc431

    So Hilliary wants to but a freeze on foreclosures to a tune of 30 billion.  You bought a condo for 350K in a real estate "bubble" realistically worth about 80K, that you couldn't afford in the first place, so the tax payers have to bail out the financially retarted....wonderful.

    But what is the solution, Charlie?  To do nothing?

    Let me say, I am with you.  I don't have much of an interest in tax payers bailing these people out but really, for the grace of God, go any of us.  As I understand the problem, you described it pretty accurately.  Someone bought a condo for $350, with an adjustable rate mortgage and a 5 year balloon.  Their thought process was, when the balloon came due, they would refinance.  The problem is, as you suggested, their $350k condo is now worth considerably less and no one will refinance it.  So they are stuck in their now high interest adjustable rate mortgage.

    This is a HUGE problem.  We have only seen the tip of the iceberg, as it were.  This trap will get many more people before it runs its course.

    • Gold Top Dog

    probe1957
    But what is the solution, Charlie?  To do nothing?

     

     Everyone who buys a home signs a paper. It is a choice that each person makes and no one forces anyone to sign a loan. There are already laws in place for bankrupcy and although that is a terrible choice to have to make, people need to be responsible for their own actions, even when a gamble does not work out the way they had hoped.

     What is next? Will tax payers have to reinburse gamblers who choose to gamble away their money hoping for a big win?

     It is a sad problem and if the goverment were going to step in then what they should be doing is regulating these loan companies so that they cannot offer high gamble loans but as for bailing out people who made the wrong choices I am against that.

    • Gold Top Dog

    probe1957
    but really, for the grace of God, go any of us. 

    Billy, you surprise me sometimes when you take a different side of the argument than normal. I do believe in the grace of God, but I would never, ever have taken the risk that many of these people did. We could've gotten an ARM when we bought our house and saved a few hundred dollars, but I don't like unknowns and I don't take risks with things like my home. Interest rates haven't been very high over the last few years, so taking an ARM with a balloon payment, wasn't a necessity unless you probably shouldn't have been buying that house in the first place.

    I think that we all stand to suffer by the massive amount of foreclosures, but I still don't think that huge bailout plans are the right idea. I own some financial stocks and have felt the consequences of what's happening and I'm less than thrilled about it but it still gives me heartburn to think that people who made really unwise decisions won't have to suffer the consequences. I also don't like the idea that it's going to be used as a political platform for the Dems to show their loving, caring side. Super Angry

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    cakana
    We could've gotten an ARM when we bought our house and saved a few hundred dollars, but I don't like unknowns and I don't take risks with things like my home.

    I am with you.  However, a few years back, we did take out an ARM for the purpose of paying my wife's ex MIL for our land.  I thought we should just have paid her cash, but my wife wasn't comfortable taking our savings down by that amount.  Long story short, interest rates climbed and we ended up paying the loan out of savings anyway, to get out of it.  I am certainly happy we had the good fortune to be able to do that.  Like you though, I would NEVER risk my home with an ARM.

    • Gold Top Dog

    probe1957

    But what is the solution, Charlie?  To do nothing?

    Let me say, I am with you.  I don't have much of an interest in tax payers bailing these people out but really, for the grace of God, go any of us.  As I understand the problem, you described it pretty accurately.  Someone bought a condo for $350, with an adjustable rate mortgage and a 5 year balloon.  Their thought process was, when the balloon came due, they would refinance.  The problem is, as you suggested, their $350k condo is now worth considerably less and no one will refinance it.  So they are stuck in their now high interest adjustable rate mortgage.

    This is a HUGE problem.  We have only seen the tip of the iceberg, as it were.  This trap will get many more people before it runs its course.

    Well, it is a huge problem and maybe do nothing is the best thing?  We will end up paying anyway regardless I suppose.  The spin is this:  Hillary wants us feel like we should feel sorry for some folks who made mistakes, put a freeze foreclosures so these poor people who made mistakes don't lose their home and get thrown out on the street and become homeless.  What a shame.  How can we throw them out and foreclose on them, pandering for votes.  We want to come to rescue and waive around 30 billion dollars of tax payers money and maybe we can help these out these poor folks about to lose their homes and get forclosed...and get some votes at the same time.  It adds up to a stall tactic because if they don't come up with the cash to make the mortgage payments (ARM or no ARM) their getting foreclosed on regardless whether it is tomorrow or after a three month freeze. 

    The homeowner had to live somewhere in that short term.  You could view their contributions similar to rent, you would have to pay somebody anyway regardless to live the past few years.  They get thrown out due to a foreclose, they are stuck deposit money (if any) but they till had to pay to live somewhere.  Taxes, insurance, utilities can all be calculated in somewhere if they were paying rent anyway, no loss there.  The 30 billion and the freeze sounds attractive to the homeowner, but this is bail out money for the sector, for the money lenders, not the PB getting foreclosed on because they can no longer afford the mortgage.  All they have to do is move on and find another place to live.  The money lender is stuck with the house which will go up for sale in a declining market, and that is where the losses are incurred.  So who does Hillary expect us to feel sorry for those getting foreclosed on or those poor, poor money lenders stuck with a house in a declining market?  The 30 billion is to bail out the money lenders and the tax payers get the shaft either way.  The money lenders made it all sound attractive, they want these loans, they encouraged people to get involved in something where realistically on paper they probably couldn't afford it anyway, but they want the signature on the paper.  It is a gamble, gambling the market will continue to be strong, house values will continue to rise, maybe they won't get stuck.  They rolled the dice in that respect and lost and after the foreclose will be forced to eat the loss, but here comes Hillary to the rescue for the risky gamble.  Well, I say let them both sink.  The homeowner learns a lesson, buy low sell high and beware of risky loans.  The moneylenders need to stop pushing crazy loans and stretching the paper to get people in any way possible.  And who pays in the end...mostly likely you and I.  These guys are all affiliated within the sector, banking, credit cards, notes, car loans, home improvement loans, etc.  Watch out the return of the "annual fee" on those credit cards, higher interest rates on the car loans and home improvement loans, etc.  Bailout or no bailout, one way or another they will recoup their losses, even if it takes 50 years.

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    • Gold Top Dog

    And here comes Ralph...why not...makes for a good protest vote this time around.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Nahhh, it couldn't be.  Iran has only peaceful intent with nukes...why bother comrade?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080227/wl_nm/iran_nuclear_dc

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    • Gold Top Dog

    I figured Hillary would be all done after super Tuesday II.  She's still in it...I'm kinda of happy for her even though I can't stand her politics.  I think I would rather see her get the nominee than Obama.  I don't think either has any shot against McCain.

    • Gold Top Dog

    Why do they call it the "Dream Ticket"?  Why is a junior Senator without a drop of foreign policy experience doing so well in the primaries?  Why do you think?  Geraldine Ferraro's comment was right on the money and everyone knows that, the only problem there is it wasn't a very PC to elude to that notion.  The only reason Barrack Hussein Obama is doing so well is because he is an African American, and we all know we live in a very PC diverse country. The truth hurts and that is just the way it goes.  So why do they call it the dream ticket?  It is the dream ticket because in a PC diverse country that we live in,  a white woman and a African American VP or vice-versa makes it so, and that is the only reason it is referred to as the dream ticket.  If that is not the case, why is it the dream ticket?  If you can't see that...wake up and smell the coffee people.

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    cc431
    The only reason Barrack Hussein Obama is doing so well is because he is an African American,

     

    and because he makes great speeches that make people feel good.

    cc431
    It is the dream ticket because in a PC diverse country that we live in,  a white woman and a African American VP or vice-versa makes it so, and that is the only reason it is referred to as the dream ticket. 

    yes that is a lot of it, although if you put the same combination together on a conservative ticket it would not fly as far

    cc431
    If you can't see that...wake up and smell the coffee people.

     

    I think you may be preaching to the choir (in this thread) cause I smell coffee