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Posted : 1/30/2007 11:02:57 AM

If you breed two blue merles, the offspring will be double dilute and they can be either blind, deaf, or both. Two blue merles should never be bred together. That's what I was told.

Joyce Dozier

Posted : 1/30/2007 11:10:28 AM

I did not know about St. Bernards being smooth. Thanks!

Eclipse

Posted : 1/30/2007 1:21:05 PM

sairey- the website also explains

Eyes, IF present, are pale blue; skin, including the eyelids, lips, nose. and pads are pigmentless except within an area of merling; hearing and sight severely impaired

[linkhttp://www.colliepuppy.com/Color_Chart/]http://www.colliepuppy.com/Color_Chart/[/link]

Joyce Dozier

Posted : 1/30/2007 6:07:21 PM

Thanks, Eclipse. I did go to the website but looked at the chart and neglected to read the text. I didn't mean to imply that whites w/ merle heads aren't perfectly good dogs...I just wondered how they could be told apart from double dilutes w/ merle heads. The site addressed that. So thank you for finally answering my question!

Shirley

Posted : 1/30/2007 10:35:26 PM

ORIGINAL: Pwca

Wings was my 'Lassie' collie- just the whole personality thing. (Although if you say "Oh, a Lassie dog!" she would immediately start looking around, just in case she was about to get her ears cleaned.- we had a foster dog last summer who was named that that she was not very fond of- Lassie thought Wings ALWAYS needed her ears cleaned )

[align=center]Here's the last photo I have of Wings.

Oh my gosh, as soon as I seen this picture, I thought "Lassie". How cool is that? Very pretty dog.

Katie

Posted : 1/30/2007 10:44:55 PM

Wow colliewog! Your dogs are beautiful!! [

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Joyce Dozier

Posted : 1/31/2007 12:01:41 PM

I had a collie who looked like Wings when I was little........her AKC name was actually Lucky Lady.......her former owner claimed she was related to the real Lassie.....who knows or cares now! My

resent sable is heavily tri-factored /a "mahogany" sable.............very handsome boy. But I miss Lady still at 57 and will for as long as I live,.....she was SO special.

Eclipse

Posted : 1/31/2007 10:12:39 PM

sairey-I'm glad I was able to help you find your answer to your question!
I saw this Collie that looked like the twin of lassie(the new lassie today) and knew the people who lived there and couldn't believe that they found the dog wondering around all matted up.

Katie M.

Posted : 1/31/2007 11:02:15 PM

ORIGINAL: sairey

I had a collie who looked like Wings when I was little........her AKC name was actually Lucky Lady.......her former owner claimed she was related to the real Lassie.....who knows or cares now! My resent sable is heavily tri-factored /a "mahogany" sable.............very handsome boy. But I miss Lady still at 57 and will for as long as I live,.....she was SO special.

The original Lassie was not registered, but pedigree researchers over the years were able to trace his pedigree. He came from a well known Collie kennel (Glamis). Technically, most Collies could easily be related to "Lassie" in some way, such as sharing a common ancestor. (For instance, Pal's great great grandfather was Alstead Aviator , who I can trace my own dogs to). You know they're lying when they say the dog is a direct relative (ie Pal sired litter) and is AKC registered, because he was not, therefore his offspring wouldn't be. [

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Katie M.

Posted : 1/31/2007 11:03:49 PM

ORIGINAL: sairey

If you breed two blue merles, the offspring will be double dilute and they can be either blind, deaf, or both. Two blue merles should never be bred together. That's what I was told.

Some will be tricolor, some will be normal blue merle as well. Only the double merles (double dilutes) will be unhealthy. Still not a good idea, but there is a good chance that the majority of the litter will be problem-free and that is what they are counting on.

Vesta Bouch

Posted : 2/1/2007 8:02:21 AM

Thanks Eclipse! His name is Budda (pronounced Buddha). I like the rough coats too, but we decided before we got him that we wanted a smooth coat, we just like the looks better. I thought I wouldnt be easy to find one, but I guess we got lucky. He had a couple of brothers and sisters that were smooth too.

Pwca

Posted : 2/1/2007 8:17:25 AM

the really interesting about white collies versus double merle collies is that the markings tend to be reversed back to front- double merles tend to have little to no pigment on the head, and if they have colored patches (which will be merle), they're usually located on the back. White collies tend to have fully pigmented heads and white bodies (sometimes with body spots)

Susan Robertson

Posted : 2/1/2007 9:22:48 AM

Anyone have or ever had a Saint Bernard or collie?

Yes! We had a rough coat Saint as a kid named Sampson. He started me on my love for dogs.

We rescued a smooth coat Saint from Petfinder a few years back. He was very sweet and a typical Saint.

Here's Dudley's Petfinder photo and how malnourished and skinny he was!

And here is was months later all filled out and happy!

Joyce Dozier

Posted : 2/1/2007 11:24:42 AM

Well, Colliewog, as I said I don't care. She was a great dog, that's all that mattered. The man WANTED my dad to take the dog because she kept running away to be with kids (He apparently had none), so he wanted to find a family with a kid. I do know she was registered, I kept the papers for decades, and he supplied a picture of her sire: a gorgeous tri-factored sable. I forget his name.

Joyce Dozier

Posted : 2/1/2007 11:35:23 AM

If one more person (usually a man for some reason) comes up to me and claims Sarah is a cross between a collie and an Australian shepard, I swear I'll lose it. I mean they DEBATE it with me. So many people just think collies are only the Lassie color (sable). I belong to the rescue league and once when three of us had our blue merles at a Meet & Greet, someone approached and said "Now what kind of dogs are THESE?" LOL. One of the dogs was an Am/Can champion and it would have been insulting if it weren't simply funny.

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