Leash Corrections? When and for how long?

luvmyswissy

corvus

Some people haven't done it before because they haven't needed to. I think that's a valid answer to the question and is not misinformation..

 

But Corvus that is not the information I am looking for?  I am curious to who is using or has used and to what extent.  Start another thread about who didn't use them because they didn't have to. Sorry you find it relevant to this thread but I don't,  I am looking for people who do use it, did use it, for what training purpose and for how long,  

Sorry, thought it was valid.

I already answered in terms of general aversives, but I did use leash corrections specifically with Penny when she was young. Under trainer guidance. To teach heel. I guess I gave up before it no longer became necessary, as she never did learn heel from leash corrections. I kept at it for a few weeks, then let it slide slightly, then came back to it for a month or so, then abandoned it. 

I would never use leash corrections for any behavior, at any time, with any dog. I've found that they are the least effective method of training or stopping any behavior.

espencer

Ado

I do I have the leash skills but I CHOSE to use better more humane methods.   My timing and being ultra aware of the leash was first honed by training horses for bloody near 40 yrs.  And if I CHOSE to I can sit a 1200 lb horse on its @ss, let a lone of dog of any size.  I CHOSE not too, but to find better methods to train them better.  I always had excellent results by training with rewards and with some very problem horses, dogs are so much easier.

 

Well:

luvmyswissy

that is not the information I am looking for  I am curious to who is using or has used and to what extent.  Start another thread about who didn't use them because they didn't have to. Sorry you find it relevant to this thread but I don't,  I am looking for people who do use it, did use it, for what training purpose and for how long

This is not moderating, i'm just re-quoting 

spiritdogs

Yet again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 Well i have then part of idea of what i'm talking about, no having an idea would be if i think this thread is about Kongs, my great grand mother used squirt water and penny cans too, thats was back on the 40's, i find funny how some people (in general and not naming anyone in specific) want to choose which techniques are "outdated" and which ones are not, depending on what point they want to prove, i would tell my great grand mother "hey, you are taking dog training back 40 years!!!" but thats only me

 

Well, since this is a thread about corrections, how do you break up dog squabbles?  

Techniques that work, are fair, and have NOT been superseded by superior methods are still used today.  *Edited, personally directed rude comment*  If we listened to you, we would still be driving Model T's, even if they did have brakes that worked.  Personally, I prefer a newer model, with A/C, GPS, and maybe a CD player.  Rock on.

mudpuppy

I would never use leash corrections for any behavior, at any time, with any dog. I've found that they are the least effective method of training or stopping any behavior.

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I'm done.  So much for trying to get a simple answer from people WHO use  them (or other aversive training) and for how long.  

Thank you Spiritdogs for following the topic, I appreciate it.   

Not sure if my answer will qualify as on or off topic, but here goes...

While I DID use a prong with Thor, I didn't use leash corrections since the trainer told me NOT to and putting that horrid looking thing on my dog was hard enough!

With Thor, all else had failed and I was getting tired of getting road rash on my hinney.  He could literally pull me off my feet and down the street.  The change in him was immediate once he realized that HE was the one  causing the discomfort from the prong.  I would say it took 3 or 4 weeks of really hard work to get the training though his thick skull, but it was much less hard with the prong because I was able to stay on my FEET and not get dragged down the street on my fanny.  For many months after that he felt the need to wear his jewelry.....but after the first few weeks there was NEVER a lead attached to the prong.  He just felt the need to behave when it was on, and it took him some time to realize that HE was the one behaving, not that the prong was MAKING him behave.  If that makes any sense!

If that's an off topic answer,my apologies.

My answers would be almost identical to corgipower's. I use leash corrections for many behaviors, with all of my dogs, although most of them don't require them very often. I've found that they are a very effective method of training and/or stopping a behavior. I agree with the following statements 100%.

corgipower

I use leash corrections, as well as verbal corrections and body language corrections... I generally see an improvement in behavior after the first correction, but occasionally I don't. Often I find it's because my body language is conflicting with the correction... I use corrections for anything from basic obedience - after the behavior is learned, things like breaking a stay or proofing, or the dog has a moment of "I don't want to" - to misbehaviors that are potentially dangerous ~ jumping, biting, pulling... I do continue to use corrections throughout their life. I also continue to use positive reinforcement throughout their life... I don't always need to give corrections, but I am always prepared to if the need arises.

Don't give up, swissy. It's a good subject!

glenmar

Not sure if my answer will qualify as on or off topic, but here goes...

While I DID use a prong with Thor, I didn't use leash corrections since the trainer told me NOT to and putting that horrid looking thing on my dog was hard enough!

With Thor, all else had failed and I was getting tired of getting road rash on my hinney.  He could literally pull me off my feet and down the street.  The change in him was immediate once he realized that HE was the one  causing the discomfort from the prong.  I would say it took 3 or 4 weeks of really hard work to get the training though his thick skull, but it was much less hard with the prong because I was able to stay on my FEET and not get dragged down the street on my fanny.  For many months after that he felt the need to wear his jewelry.....but after the first few weeks there was NEVER a lead attached to the prong.  He just felt the need to behave when it was on, and it took him some time to realize that HE was the one behaving, not that the prong was MAKING him behave.  If that makes any sense!

If that's an off topic answer,my apologies.

Glenda,   You know your expierences were not off topic, thank you for answering. 

I think the point was made that I was wondering about anyway.  It appears that people who did use them or do use them find it to be a very short term tool and method.  I thought from some other threads that people were using corrections everyday and for long term.  I am glad to see that probably isn't true.  I know for me it was short, quick and effective and haven't use them in 2.5 years now.

luvmyswissy

I'm done.  So much for trying to get a simple answer from people WHO use  them (or other aversive training) and for how long.  

I guess I don't understand.  Don't all dogs pretty much have to be on a leash at some point, in a vet clinic, on a walk, etc....required by law.  How can anyone avoid the leash not being an aversion or used in a correction.  Just saying one never uses a leash corrections for behaviors but still use a leash, makes absolutely positively no sense to me at all.

DPU

luvmyswissy

I'm done.  So much for trying to get a simple answer from people WHO use  them (or other aversive training) and for how long.  

I guess I don't understand.  Don't all dogs pretty much have to be on a leash at some point, in a vet clinic, on a walk, etc....required by law.  How can anyone avoid the leash not being an aversion or used in a correction.  Just saying one never uses a leash corrections for behaviors but still use a leash, makes absolutely positively no sense to me at all.

DPU, I am not talking about using a leash, I am talking about appling leash corrections.  Sorry I am confusing you - I can't answer your question since it makes no sense to me. 

No need to get so "deep" in your thinking DPU.  If you want to turn this into a discussion on if the use of the leash for general purposes is using aversives go ahead, it's a free for all have fun.  My questions was simple, do you use leash corrections?  As defined in dog training.

Are you telling me that in over 2 years you haven't had to correct your dog for anything? WOW! Sounds good, maybe I should send my fiancee over to you for some training....lol. JK!!

I really don't see how anyone can not correct there dog ever, all dogs make mistakes and how will they learn if we do not correct them? I'm not talking just about leash correction, but any form of correction. We do have to remind him of manners still, not all the time but every once in awhile. Maybe my dog isn't perfect.....? But hey- neither am I, I still need some reminding every once in awhile too.

DPU

I guess I don't understand.  Don't all dogs pretty much have to be on a leash at some point, in a vet clinic, on a walk, etc....required by law.  How can anyone avoid the leash not being an aversion or used in a correction.  Just saying one never uses a leash corrections for behaviors but still use a leash, makes absolutely positively no sense to me at all.

The rare times Kenya is in public (pet store, vet clinic) are really the only times she is on a lead, and even then, tight leads or pulling are not permitted.  No corrections are issued because they are not needed.  She is not on a lead for any training, at home or at the club, and is off-lead in the yard and when we go to the field for exercise.  It is on private property, so she off-leash heels from the car to the fenced in field.  She can heel perfectly fine off-lead, the leash is simply there in a few situations because it's required.   It is never tight and I don't have to correct her because she is trained to stay in close and keep her eyes on me.  Most of the time we are at the pet store, she is dragging her leash, following me around while I shop.  If I stop to look at something, she stops and sits next to me.  At the vet clinic, it doesn't really apply either b/c we walk in the door and sit down (again, I'm not even holding the leash while she is lying there, I usually drop it and put a foot on it so my hands are free to read or fill out papers), then walk into a room and the leash is off anyway.

IMO, if the dog needs constant corrections on a lead, the dog is not properly trained and needs to take a step back as far as the distraction level.  I like to introduce distractions slowly so I'm setting the dog up for success.  I don't HAVE to ever correct because the dog never tries to pull away or stops paying attention to me. 

I don't use leash corrections, but I use other aversives, especially with Coke.  Squirting water when he chases or locks his eyes on a cat, slapping the counter when he puts his paws on it.... Sometimes Coke gets too exuberant about meeting another dog, however we've discovered that pulling him back means absolutely nothing to him and just causes him to pull harder.  If we say his name once and he doesn't turn towards us, we just step in front of him to re-gain his focus.

luvmyswissy

My questions was simple, do you use leash corrections?  As defined in dog training.

DPU

I guess I don't understand.  Don't all dogs pretty much have to be on a leash at some point, in a vet clinic, on a walk, etc....required by law.  How can anyone avoid the leash not being an aversion or used in a correction.  Just saying one never uses a leash corrections for behaviors but still use a leash, makes absolutely positively no sense to me at all.

 yes me to, I must admit I have visions of some people frantically running and moving from side to side, spinning arouind and going through all types of antics designed to make certain there is never any pressure on the leash. I wonder how they do this and would love to see a video.

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BlackLabbie

Are you telling me that in over 2 years you haven't had to correct your dog for anything? WOW! Sounds good, maybe I should send my fiancee over to you for some training....lol. JK!!

I really don't see how anyone can not correct there dog ever, all dogs make mistakes and how will they learn if we do not correct them? I'm not talking just about leash correction, but any form of correction. We do have to remind him of manners still, not all the time but every once in awhile. Maybe my dog isn't perfect.....? But hey- neither am I, I still need some reminding every once in awhile too.

I AM talking about leash corrections.  I have not used a leash correction on my dog in over 2 years.  And really my dog needs nothing more than an ETT ETT or a "come" to stop any mistakes he is making.  But he really dosen't make many, he is 3.5 years old.  He walks well on leash and off leash, he dosen't jump or bite people, poop or pee in the house, he dosen't chew things anymore.  The only thing he may do is sniff garbage and eat snails from the pond.. and grab a sock and throw it in the air to play.  All of which are not mistakes or bad behaviors, just being a dog.