Who is the alpha dog in your pack?

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    Who is the alpha dog in your pack?

    (hopefully this is in the right section)

    For those who multiple dogs, who is the alpha dog? Which position does each dog have in its canine pack?

    Cadie's undoubtedly the alpha here. She lets Riley know when she's had enough of his slamming into her and jumping on her with a good bark. She only plays with him on her own terms. Also, when she has a toy and initiates that he play with her, as soon as he gets it the game is over. She's not about to chase a dog. lol (We believe she thinks herself a human). She's so extremely patient and good with him though. It's like a big, wiser older sister to an annoying little brother that she tolerates and then some.

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    IrishSetterGrl
    who is the alpha dog?

     

    Me 

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    Dakota is the boss where every she goes. But more and more these days she's backing down and just wants a peaceful existence. Neiko is bottom of the pack. He's a touchy feely, non-confrontational appeaser dog to people and dogs alike. Lily is middle dog but in reality I don't know that she understands pack order much.

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    My daughter!  Stick out tongue   Ever since we taught her to be the boss of our airedale terrier at the age of 5, she's an alpha bitch!  LOL!

     Indie and Woobie are still sorting things out.  Indie is super easy-going and laid back and because of his size pretty much takes anything he wants from Woobie.  But lately, Woobie hasn't been too keen on that and has been asserting himself more.  When they're playing, I sometimes feel bad for Woobie because Indie easily overpowers him.  Sometimes though, he'll lay on his back and let Woobie beat on him. 

    And Milo the Evil cat pretty much terrorizes everyone.  Does that make him alpha?
     

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    espencer

    IrishSetterGrl
    who is the alpha dog?

     

    Me 

    Hahahaha!  Good one!  I'll use that response too!  Shoot, before we even had dogs, I was always the alpha female!
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    No alpha, no pack. We are just a "family" (can be substituted with "social group";) with two grown-up humans and two adults dogs.

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    This gal Cool:

     

     

    All kidding aside, what Thalie wrote sums it up nicely for me.

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    Since I am not a dog Stick out tongue it's Cara. She's my little helper. She's calm and assertive with the others and helps train the puppies I've brought in the house. She is the most well-behaved dog here.

    As far as the order of the others, Mia is the Omega and the other two have the middle roles, but I think Jaia is probably second under Cara. He's mellow and easy going, but when he wants something, he makes sure to get it and B'asia complies.

    B'asia and Mia and the ones who display "dominance" behaviors (mounting, pawing and leaning) from time to time. They're bossy and a bit rambunctious and overbearing.

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    Pack

    Family

     

    What if these two words are simply choices (per our own internal and unique definitions) we make to describe the same thing?

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    tssst
    What if these two words are simply choices (per our own internal and unique definitions) we make to describe the same thing?

     

    They are. Wink 

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    FourIsCompany
    They are. Wink 

    Perhaps they are for you, and that's cool.

    But not for me, no. They aren't at all the same thing.  Big Smile

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    In my pack/family, whatever you chose to call it, I am the alpha.  The dogs look to me for direction. 

     If I am removed from the equation, then Chyna will quickly step in to fill my shoes.  She is assertive enough to put the others in their places both quickly & effectively.  Shooter ranks second amongst the dogs.  He is pushy, & will, on occasion, challenge Chyna for her position as top dog.  Bevo & Brinxx are both middle of the pack dogs, and Schatzi, who is shy and submissive is my bottom rung dog.

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    Sasha is top dog over Eko, but he's still a baby. Theoretically he should defer to her for life. In general, she's a middle loving dog. She is deferential to dominant dogs and dominant towards more submissive dogs.  

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    Thalie

    No alpha, no pack. We are just a "family" (can be substituted with "social group";) with two grown-up humans and two adults dogs.

     

    Same here.  Dominance is fluid with dogs, and there is seldom one dog who is "alpha" all the time and in all circumstances (I hate that terminology, since it does apply to wolves, but not really to dogs).  One dog might care about going out the door first.  Another might care about "stuff" and guard what's hers, but let another out the door first.  Still another might care about sleeping space, or who gets fed first, or which tree he gets to lay under in the play yard but not care about "stuff" like toys or tennis balls.  Pretty much, we are a social group with the human in control of all the major resources;-)

     

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    Somebody asked me in private to expand upon my thoughts about there being a difference between a family and a pack. I'll post it here in case anybody else is interested in why I said what I said:

     

    Kim_MacMillan

    Do you want the simple answer or the complicated one? *G*

    The simple one is that there are no "ranks" in my home. Even within the "pack" (group) of dogs at the house (all 14), there is no clear hierarchy between the dogs. There is one dog that co-exists with, but doesn't interact at all with the other dogs, and they don't interact with her. There is one dog that will play with this other dog, but who will also play with the Schnauzers. Even within a house of intact animals, where breeding rights are at stake (in their eyes), there is no real "alpha" in either male or female, or between. There are certainly roles, but the roles are super dynamic and there is give and take within all of the relationships. There is never a "This dog is _____" or "This dog is ______".

    Now, that being said, if I used the same rules that some people do to apply positions, I could likely do it, and people who looked at the dogs would agree within that paradigm, as I do understand how people are doing it and how they assign ranks. But in reality they are false positions that don't reflect at all the dynamic relations the animals have, with each other and with humans.

    As it is, people themselves can't agree with what a "dominant" or "alpha" animal is (and by people I mean people here as well as professionals, as well as researchers!). Some people believe that this is the most calm, laid back animal, who other animals defer to because they want to. Other people say that their dogs "show dominance" to the other dogs, in effect "making" the others inferior by "being" superior. Yet other people discuss how their "dominant" dog is pushy, tells other dogs what to do, etc. All this information conflicts with each other, which makes for impossible discussion.

    In the end I observe the behaviours themselves, with no preconception of rank, just the behaviours, and in doing so the fluidity of interactions between animals are amazing, so amazing that none of the relationships can be put down to one status position or rank. They all bring unique aspects to every relation (dog-dog and as a whole social unit), each dog has various roles, each role of which is as important as the next, and can't be quantified into alpha/beta/omega terminology. To give a dog a rank would be to say that "this dog" is "this way" as though you can list out the variables easily. To me it's not that one is dominant over another, or that one is submissive to another, but that with every interaction the strengths and weaknesses of particular dogs come together to form this cohesive unit that makes both live in mutual harmony, and makes the two stronger than either one on their own. Each dog expresses themselves, their likes, dislikes, and certainly control, to another dog, and the other dog takes that and uses it. How it uses it depends on its own, I suppose you would call it personality and wants, likes and dislikes, and control issues. Dogs as a whole tend to strive for peaceful interactions, and will modify their own behaviour (despite apparent "rank";) to try to attain that peace.

    I just like to think that the role of the domestic dog is more dynamic than that of the pack wolf, that the hierarchies we may see in wolves (and people have even argued about those! If we can't agree on that, how can we agree on our own pets!) do not match up with what we see in our every day lives with dogs. When I sit down and look at every encounter as it is, and watch the communication between them, it becomes stunningly clear to me that it's not a linear relationship by any means, and that it's impossible to pick out one clear "leader" over another. And in fact, it's not that leadership doesn't occur, but that different dogs within the home lead in different ways, so that each is dependent upon the "leadership" skills of another, for different tasks or roles, to function as a cohesive group. And then there are dogs who don't lead in any way, but are happy just to go along for the ride. And then there are dogs that don't lead nor follow, but just totally do their own thing despite what other dogs in the home are doing.

    Others don't see that, and that's perfectly cool. But I'll continue expressing how I see things (and how others see things too) on the off chance that other people may set aside the ideas of linear hierarchy, even for a little bit, to simply explore the possibilities of something more complex, and something much more dynamic.

    That was meant to be simple....and honestly I would be happy to discuss it at more length if it interests you, it's really not something you can wrap up in one paragraph as it just involves sooooooooooo many variables and discussions *G* And adding to that that I don't even have a firm grasp on it, because I'm always observing and always watching, and always learning, and the more I do that the more I'm convinced that the relationships and interactions between dogs are not something we can ever really quantify or qualify, because they are so dynamic.

     And that's only the Prologue to the story, I didn't even touch on the "human" part of the dynamic. *G*