Create, "safe place" or "you cant touch me here"?

This is were issues start---with all due respect---you didn't see the show.

He was blocking the dog from coming OUT of the crate. The crate which was outside, plastic, had NO door. So, if he hadn't blocked him the dog would of run right out and started doing what he was doing outside the crate. He would go into the crate wait for someone to turn their back and then lash out of them. That's what they were trying to block or stop.

I'm not saying it's right wrong or anything. . .but I think people are misunderstanding the situation of the "crate".

 
Issues are huge with this description!  It sounds like if you were cornering an animal who knows he is misbehaving and using his crate to corner him , still sounds not good to me.
 
Clear definition of crating to those of us using a crate as a place to keep your pet safe (and your home safe too) is a different idea than what is portrayed in this story.  In any case, to chase and corner an animal is not a good idea unless you are saving him from a busy street or something.  Again it is a trust thing. 
 
My animals know and trust my actions due to the fact that I am trust worthy.  When we travel with these puppies it is just amazing how enjoyable a real crate trained dog is.  A gate is essential for  a crate to provide the safety aspect.
 
The story Willowchow tells sounds like a loaded gun.  I don't like the situation that this dog or trainer was in at all. 

ORIGINAL: espencer

He was working on an aggressive dog, the dog was on the create, outside the house, and he was having a raquet in front of the dog to make him bite the raquet and release all the bad energy

so the dog was "on" the crate and not "in" the crate? just asking so i can make sure i understand the scenario.

what was cm trying to accomplish? making him bite the raquet? or was it something else?

maybe it would be better if only people who had seen the episode commented. [sm=2cents.gif]

I saw the show, my question is, should he just let the dog go inside the create since is his "safe place"or do what he did? that is going all the way to the create and work on correcting the behavior inside the create too?

He was making the dog bite the raquet so he could release all the aggression and dont get me wrong, i think that what he was doing was right but some people think that you should not cause stress on a dog when he is in the "safe place"

 
I am sorry to be judgemental but this "trainer" sounds rather maniacal.    Getting a dog to bite a raquette to release aggression?  Well, that reminds me of the therapists that used to encourage hitting spouses with the softend bats to release aggression.  Lol, when they got home they might forget which tool to use...
 
Anything I have learned about Siberian huskies is that you do not encourage wild banter that could cause aggression.   If it is a pet, you train him with the types of behaviors you need to instill.  One of them would not include the above scenario.

ORIGINAL: cyclefiend2000

ORIGINAL: espencer

He was working on an aggressive dog, the dog was on the create, outside the house, and he was having a raquet in front of the dog to make him bite the raquet and release all the bad energy

so the dog was "on" the crate and not "in" the crate? just asking so i can make sure i understand the scenario.

what was cm trying to accomplish? making him bite the raquet? or was it something else?

maybe it would be better if only people who had seen the episode commented. [sm=2cents.gif]

 
Sorry, in the create

Was this dog wild ?  All I can think is that these shows are typically sensationalized to draw this interest.  Good or bad interest still makes money.  And although these situations are not something most people encounter in daily living and training!, it derives this kind of controversial debate in a forum.
 
I will eventually watch a program.  I do not feel the need to buy a book or tape from a show/trainer that as it has been stated, doesn't want you to try this at home due to liability issues. 
 
CM seems to be drowning in issues whenever I read anything about him.  I just do not like to see aggressive means used to train any animal.  Or scare tactics.  I think that if you really want to teach the dog, it will take time and not a show such as this will be able to illustrate it.

what was cm trying to accomplish? making him bite the raquet? or was it something else?

He wasn't making him bite the racket.  The dog was biting the racket as he held it in the entryway of the crate to make sure the dog didn't come out at them.  The dog was behaving quite aggressively.  That's when CM made the comment on his "releasing his aggression" or however he worded it.  I think really it's just a way to get him to tire of the aggressive behavior he was displaying and lay down.  Once, he did lay down and stop all the snarling, he removed the racket from the entry way of the crate.
 

  Was this dog wild ?

 
No, he wasn't wild.  He was good with the family.  BUT, he was mostly an outside dog--their words---and he was allowed to do whatever he wanted with no restraint at all, he was completely able to roam wherever.  And, it escalated over time from him just being a good watchdog to him actually going after company. 

No, he wasn't wild. He was good with the family. BUT, he was mostly an outside dog--their words---and he was allowed to do whatever he wanted with no restraint at all, he was completely able to roam wherever. And, it escalated over time from him just being a good watchdog to him actually going after company.

 
I think it would be better to train the family/owners of the dog!   The dog sounds like he is going to get an overdose of restraints at this point in time.  After the damage has been done, I sure hope that they don't add insult to injury. 
 
What I understand is that when you become aggressive, even if it is with good intention, the result will not be optimum.  Usually in life, aggression toward another creature creates more aggression, and usually more viscious due to the learning of this kind of teaching. 
 

From what I saw, CM did not chase the dog into his crate.  The dog simply retreated to his crate after he realized CM was not backing down.  This dog was pretty aggresive and was not used to this type of challenge.  He was used to people running away when he showed this type of behavior.  Once the dog was in his crate, which had no door by the way, he started acting agressivley towards the owners friend again and CM used the tennis racquet to block the dog from chasing after and biting him again.  Once the dog calmed down he took the racquet away.

So, correcting or not correcting inside the create? regardless from the example

I think most of us said no corrections in the crate, but then it was brought to our atteniton that this situation isn't really a "crate" in the way we use them, so our opinions don't really apply.

ORIGINAL: houndlove

I think most of us said no corrections in the crate, but then it was brought to our atteniton that this situation isn't really a "crate" in the way we use them, so our opinions don't really apply.

Ok, lets pretend it is his create, then that means the dog can do whatever and then just run into the create because he knows no one will touch him there?  like keep barking for hours? i cant correct the behavior and correct the barking because he is in his "safe place"?

"Ok, but then that means the dog can do whatever and then just run into the create because he knows no one will touch him there?  like keep barking for hours? i cant correct the behavior and correct the barking because he is in his "safe place"?"
  
 
Basically, this is like abnormal psychology.  Only you have an entire family and a dog to cure.  It is ludicrous to think that this sitch will be fixed by only CM.  And I do believe that the dog who runs to this stupid open crate out doors is in a bad sitch.  This dog has NO safe place. 
 
I look at this as if the social worker needs to come out and replace the dog in a home that knows how to care for a dog.  But the damage is done. 
 
Not if CM "cures" this sitch on tv, I am not convinced.   This would require revisiting over time.  The family is still "ill".  Each person needs to learn how to take care of an animal.  This animal.  And sounds like this is going to be far more in depth than what is being talked about, or could be talked about on a forum.
 
If he was holding a tennis racket out to keep the dog from harming someone, and this is the beginning, we are no where near the solution and the many cures needed here.   Wow.

ORIGINAL: dogslife

If he was holding a tennis racket out to keep the dog from harming someone, and this is the beginning, we are no where near the solution and the many cures needed here.   Wow.

 
Actually the main person who was being chase by the dog does not need a raquet anymore, that sounds like an improvment to me []

Actually the main person who was being chase by the dog does not need a raquet anymore, that sounds like an improvment to me

 
Well, thank heavens.  I imagine he would be awful tired by now. LOL.
 
 

Honestly, I don't know how to answer the hypothetical becasue I've never had any misbehaving dog run to their crate so they can misbehave more.  Most of the time when my dogs are "misbehaving" its because they don't understand what I want from them. Running to their crates wouldn't solve that issue for them, so there's no reason why they'd do it.
 
Barking in a crate isn't usually a matter of a dog just wanting to be a brat in my opinion. And in fact the most common reason for barking or fussing in a crate is because they want your attention. Giving a correction at that time would be extremely counterproductive becasue it's just giving them what they want. Otherwise, it can be due to anxiety, claustrophobia, not enough exercise or not enough mental stimulation. All those problems can be dealt with, but none require meeting out corrections while the dog is crated.