Create, "safe place" or "you cant touch me here"?

i did not see that show, but we always treat our dog's crates as their safe place. i might reach in and scratch their ears or something like that, but otherwise that is the place they can go and not be bothered by anyone.

..."he followed the dog all the way to his create and worked with him trying to correct the behavior all the way inside there

Some people think that you should not correct the behavior when the dog is inside the create because thats his "safe place" but i feel that the dog could have bad behavior and then run to his create because he knows he cant be touch there, what do you think? "
 
If you are trying to train a dog, you ought to lock up the crate first.  If you chase your dog into his happy place then you are going to create mistrust. 
 
I do not know this CM, and have yet to have been able to view any of his programs.  But I wouldn't chase my dog into a crate, ever.  My last husky loved his crate, and he often liked to get in it to relax away from the rest of the family.  I would lock it up to keep him from sleeping during the day.  He did sometimes want to escape and later we understood what was going on.  He was becoming critically ill. 
 
I am glad he had a place to totally relax and not feel like he would be bothered by anyone in this family.  With our new pups it is the same.  Although the male isn't as keen on going in the crate- the female loves her crate and obediantly goes in at night.  Occasionally she asks to go in earlier, and it is usually a good idea.  These dogs tire themselves out. 
 
 

I don't go out of my way to bug Scout in her crate, but I do make sure that she is comfortable with me crawling in, saying hi, patting her, etc.

I don't think there should be a place in our home where Scout can go to "get away from us" and we're not allowed. That doesn't seem healthy. But I don't discipline when Scout is in the crate, or put her in there when she's bad. I also wouldn't let young kids go pester her in the crate.

You can create a situation where your dog needs to "get away from" by chasing him anywhere!
 
  I want to be clear here about what I wrote.  My dog was not trying to get away from us.  He was ill.  Devastatingly so.  We were very able to go into the crate and pat him and there was never a feeling of mistrust on either side of that coin! 
 
 In fact my children have all been well versed on trust/mistrust issues with dogs and pups.  They are also trusted in the crate by the dogs.  Although they dont get in there with them now, they could and the male dog would willingly let them have his crate no problem, LOL!   
 
But while training them, we lock up the crates so they don't use it for other things...
 
 

I do the same as Scout. Neither dog minds me getting into their crate with them (and they're big dogs with big crates, so this is always a possibility). I go in there and scratch them or get their Kongs for refilling or just to see how they're doing, but I rely on the crate, especially for Conrad, as a safety zone and a non-stressful place. For an anxious dog like Conrad, it is vital that he knows that there is at least one place in the house that is free from any stressors. If there was something he was doing that I was trying to correct that he might continue doing in his crate, I'd shut the crate door while training. The crate is "charged" with positivity and I'd be afraid of loosing some of that charge. If that charge is lost, Conrad's overall anxious behavior begins to go downhill.
 
I have used the crates as zones where there is more control over their behavior. If Conrad is getting resource gaurdy, I will send him to his crate in order to begin the "trade up" protocol I use when he gets gaurdy. Because the crate is an enclosed space, it limits his interaction with Marlowe during this exercise and also limits his ability to just ignore me and walk away. But because I am trading up with him, it isn't a punishment, just an exercise that gets easier to do if he's in his crate.
 
I personally would be extremely pissed off at any one who came into my home and summarily began to undo all the work we've done over the years to reduce Conrad's anxiety through judicious use of a crate.

The "safety zone" idea is right.  Whenever we travel, our dogs come with us.  And although they are young pups, they feel right at home as we bring the "safety zone" with us.  They settle right down at night and sleep through too!  Dont' think we could get them to be better pets by chasing them into crates to "correct " them.

This is were issues start---with all due respect---you didn't see the show.
 
He was blocking the dog from coming OUT of the crate.  The crate which was outside, plastic, had NO door.  So, if he hadn't blocked him the dog would of run right out and started doing what he was doing outside the crate.  He would go into the crate wait for someone to turn their back and then lash out of them.  That's what they were trying to block or stop.
 
I'm not saying it's right wrong or anything. . .but I think people are misunderstanding the situation of the "crate". 

Don't have cable, so I'm just going on the situation as originally described. My crates have doors, are inside, and are used for confinement when no one is home, so it sounds like the folks in the show aren't really using the crate as I use it anyway, so I guess whatever.

  I am simply responding to the poster, Espencer.  He asked; We answered. 
 
Whether or not we saw a show didn't appear to be the terms to respond to this poster. 

ORIGINAL: dogslife

  I am simply responding to the poster, Espencer.  He asked; We answered. 

Whether or not we saw a show didn't appear to be the terms to respond to this poster. 

ditto! all the information for consideration should have been included in the original post.

ORIGINAL: willowchow

This is were issues start---with all due respect---you didn't see the show.

He was blocking the dog from coming OUT of the crate.  The crate which was outside, plastic, had NO door.  So, if he hadn't blocked him the dog would of run right out and started doing what he was doing outside the crate.  He would go into the crate wait for someone to turn their back and then lash out of them.  That's what they were trying to block or stop.

I'm not saying it's right wrong or anything. . .but I think people are misunderstanding the situation of the "crate". 

I saw the show, my question is, should he just let the dog go inside the create since is his "safe place"or do what he did? that is going all the way to the create and work on correcting the behavior inside the create too?

Ok i will update the original post to focus more on the situation and not on the example

No, it's not.  But, everyone is starting to really strongly object to what was done and they didn't have the right information.  A few people were basing their response on what they thought was the situation when in fact it was quite different.

If I was responding I'd want to know if I had misinformation.

As for if what he did was right, I really can't answer.  I haven't seen enough of the same situation being dealt with differently.  I can say this, I'm not sure that crate was the dogs "safe place".  At least it wasn't his safe place as other people here consider a crate to be safe place. 

if you are causing stress on your dog while he is in his "safe place" then it isnt safe anymore. it is just another place to be caused stress. not to mention backing your dog into a corner like that seems to be a good way of getting bitten.

seems kind like the people who would antagonize a monkey in a cage and then wonder why pooh was flung at them.