dog aggression-Please help

    • Silver

    dog aggression-Please help

    I have a total of 7 dogs. My pit/lab mix named Angel is almost 1, when we got her around 6 months she had to eat in a crate because she would try to fight the other dogs for food. Well She has to eat in a crate by 2 of our other dogs who have to eat in a crate, since they are puppies. Here lately she has been gettin into attack mode trying to get to their food, Any advice to this?? Right now i'm taking her out of her crate and going by their crate and samiting her when she does this or when she looks over at them wanting their food.

    Another problem with Angel and my boxer/Shepard, Precious..
    They both want to be the dominet one, however I'm in charge of both of them. We have had some dog fights here in there, nothing major. They normally start out by precious giving Angel the look and Angel will charge. They would play afterwards of course though, They would be buddies later that day. Well a few weeks ago they got into it and precious got bit in the leg, it hit a vein so we had to take her to the vet, blood was everywhere. Ever since then Angel and Precious dont get along, They cant be in the room together. Any advice to this because these dog fights need to stop, I don't want their to be another vet visit. Right now for this I have one dog on a lease and my boyfriend has the other dog on a leash and we make them go around eachother and when one of them gives the other the look, we samit them.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I think you have too many dogs. Have you thought about giving up one of them, for their own sake?

    Also, I don't know why you'd want to force two dogs to live together who don't like each other. That has to be stressful for both of them.

    I don't know what samit means, but I'm guessing it is something they don't like. So they're learning that when they're around each other this bad thing happens. I can't imagine how that is going to make them calm down around each other.

    • Gold Top Dog
    What is samite?
    • Silver
    Dogs come in packs. I dont have to many dogs. I'm not going to give up one of my dogs. They dont like eachother anymore due to their last fight. Which that is a problem I have to fix. My problem is they both want to be dominent. They use to get along fine,  even if they got into a fight. It is probably do to the fact that Angel is not spayed yet, but I posted this because What if the agression between Precious and her doesnt get fixed?? I want to fix this problem, not get rid of one of my dogs and thats what i asked for advice for. Samiting a dog is where you make them lay down until they become calm. It's nothing bad. Maybe you should try it with your dog, if it does something bad. It's part of controlling making them know that you are in charge. Does your dog control you?
    • Gold Top Dog
    Sometimes you can't "fix" the problem, only manage it.
     
    I don't recommend this samit thing....not unless you are prepared for your dog to respond with flashing teeth.  I control my dogs without the use of physical force because they trust and respect me.
    • Silver
    I have 7 dogs and I have in the previous samitted them all. It's not forceful. I just make them lay down and hold them down until they calm down. It works!! Most likely I can fix the problem since Angel isnt 1 yet. Sorry I'm not trying to be rude, I'm irritated.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: animal_lover33

     Most likely I can fix the problem since Angel isnt 1 yet.

     
    Angel is a pit mix. Dog aggression is a breed trait. Almost every pit is fine with other dogs as a puppy and as they mature practically every one will exhibit some degree of dog aggression. You can't fix it. It's in her genetics and it will likely get worse as she gets older. Fighting is a very self-rewarding behavior for a pit, they like doing it, and they only get better at it with 'practice'.  This is something all pit owners with multi-dog households have to be aware of (before getting a pit) and all owners have to know how to manage it.
    • Gold Top Dog
    the origin of the term samitting.  Is it possible that you mean submitting?
    • Silver
    Dont mind me saying this,but I'm a firm believer that the way the dog acts is the way its brought up, not genetics.. I hate when people just point out one breed, I actually know of pitbulls that are the sweetest dog. There is a pitbull at the stables I keep my horse at. She is awesome. She loves kids, Loves people, and loves animals.. I know other pitbulls that are nice too and have no problems.. I dont believe its in her genetics.. Fighting is not a self-rewarding behavior for a pit, I mean ya if thats what you use them for, but not me. Angel is a companion, not raised to fight. I hate how people think all pits are going to be aggressive because of their underserved reputation. Pits that are well socialized arent going to be aggressive with humans or dogs, however Angel isnt fixed and wants to be the alpha, and the only dog that isnt going to let her dominent over her is precious. They give eachother the look which causes the fights. I mean Just a little bit ago, my dog spike nipped at Angel and all Angel did was growl at him for it, she didnt go after him. I can take Angel to a park and she can play with other dogs, that are less dominent with her. My recent dog Dallas who's a pup play all the time. You'd think Dallas was tearing into her because he grunt and growls, but he's just being a pup and playing, trambling all over Angel. Wanna know what Angel does.. Lays on her back with her belly up and allows it.. I'm sorry I dotn think that my dog has an agression problem that cant be fixed, She just wants to be the alpha, The only thing i'm worrying about is when I get Angel spayed if the fights will still go on because of the dogs fight we had in the trust they have with eachother.. Precious is spayed and she wants to be dominent over Angel. Dont take this the wrong way!! I'm just voicing my opinion about Pits.
    • Silver
    My bad. Wasnt thinking, I just sounded it out. lol. yes its submitting.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: animal_lover33

    Dont mind me saying this,but I'm a firm believer that the way the dog acts is the way its brought up, not genetics.. I hate when people just point out one breed, I actually know of pitbulls that are the sweetest dog.

     
    That's nice that you feel that way, but that isn't reality. Upbringing and proper socialization is very important with any dog, but with especially with pits. Unfortunately that doesn't change generations of breeding certain traits into them. A pit should NEVER show aggression toward humans, but like I said, they will almost always show some degree of dog aggression. That isn't something that you can change, but you can manage it.
     
    Spaying is always an excellent idea, but it's unlikely to change her dog aggression (which will most likely get worse as she matures, spayed or not). Any responsible household with pits knows they can NEVER be left alone with other dogs, and can never be trusted not to fight. Even the sweetest pittie in the world, who would never dream of starting a fight, will finish a fight that is started with it.
     
    I am a pit mix owner, he's been socialized extensively, but I am still hyper-aware of his genetic programming. I do everything in my ability to never let him discover the joy of fighting. Because, yes, fighting is self-rewarding behavior for pits - they LIKE doing it. And when they do it, they will most likely do it again.
     
    I'm sorry things turned out this way for you, but it's something every pit household HAS to deal with. I did a TON of research when I became a pit owner, I suggest you do the same.
     
    Read the section here [linkhttp://www.badrap.org/rescue/owning.cfm]http://www.badrap.org/rescue/owning.cfm[/link] called Dog-on-Dog Aggression is Common and the read the rest of the site.
     
    Then read the section here [linkhttp://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html]http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html[/link] called Never trust a pit bull not to fight... and then read the rest of the site.
     
    Both of those are excellent sites promoting responsible ownership and breed awareness.
     
    I also suggest you do some reading on this forum [linkhttp://www.pitbullforum.com]www.pitbullforum.com[/link] it's a forum dedicated to responsible owners who are aware of the realities of owning this breed.
    • Gold Top Dog
    And yes, pit bulls ARE the sweetest dogs. I can't imagine life without one, I just have to keep in the back of my mind what they are capable of, and what I can do to protect and prevent.
    • Gold Top Dog
    ORIGINAL: animal_lover33

    I can take Angel to a park and she can play with other dogs, that are less dominent with her.


    And PLEASE read these links about pits and dog parks.

    http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm
    http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
    http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/DOGPARK.html
    • Silver
    I know what they are capable of doing, but I dont think a pit will fight any dog that walks by it if it has fought before.. I see you are a strong believer that dogs genetics are how they'll turn out., but I dont because you could train a dog to do anything. I know pit bulls that are therapy dogs.. Now and days pitbulls are breed for compainonships, not fighting. I mean ya there are some jackasses that still fight them, whihc i think is cruel. Those dogs will def. show aggression with another dog. I understand you saying that all dogs need to be well socialized with dogs and with people, I totally agree with you on that.I dont take Angel to a park that much, because I respect that some people are really scared of a pit or pitmix, but i'm just saying Angel could play with a less dominent dog. I worked at a doggy day care/boarding/training place and have took Angel with me. There were certain dogs she could play with and certain dogs she couldnt. All of our dogs are watched when they are not in their crates, when we take them outside, one person has to go out with them because they bark, but I would give that advice to anybody.
    • Gold Top Dog
    I'm sorry, but a big DITTO to everything that Sooner has posted.