Too much Aggression; please help me. or leave suggestions :(

A behaviorist would certainly know what positive reinforcement, operant conditioning, and classical conditioning meant, and might not explain them so cursorily as giving the dog a treat and telling the TV audience that's what some people call positive reinforcement.

OK, I've made a few comments on these threads that went unnoticed.  But, Anne, here is another one-

I've watched almost every episode, I can't recall ANY where I saw him giving treats and/or explaining what he was doing as postive or "negative". 

I don't have a problem with disagreeing with his methods but the more I read the more it seems like your only slightly familiar with what those methods are. 

And, obviously I've taken all your advice about Willow but I really feel like I need to point this out to you.

One of CM's favorite dogs is Popeye, a female pit bull with one eye that he rescued from a dog fighting ring. He enlists her help in re-socializing other dogs and she is a CGC.

[linkhttp://www.muchlove.org/available_dogs/Cesar_dogs.htm]http://www.muchlove.org/available_dogs/Cesar_dogs.htm[/link]

Acutally, Popeye is a male but, Popeye was adopted into a forever home!!  Yeah!  There are quite a few female dogs for adoption from Cesar's psychology center, so I'm not sure where the "all male" scenario is coming from??   

Once again....how is ANY of this stuff helping the OP?????
 
Are we adults able to stay ON topic or do we really need for Jaime to come in and use her red ink and all caps?

Once again....how is ANY of this stuff helping the OP?????

 
Ummmm, I was just answering a question a few pages back..  I have read many a thread here that by the 4th page or so the original question was strayed from.  Kinda human nature as other topics are introduced. 

Okey Dokey.  I just went back and did some tiptoeing through the tulips.
 
The first FEW posts were helpful....by post number 6 this thread became a war between +R and CM defenders.
 
This is NOT helpful, this is NOT the purpose or function of this forum and if Jaime were here, this would have been stopped PAGES ago.
 
The sex of CM's pack, the sex of Popeye, and all the other assorted crap for the last several pages is NOT helping the OP and is likely making her run for the hills.

Well, I think it's helpful for the original poster or anyone for that matter to point out when mis-information is being stated as fact. 
 
As for my advice for the original issue--it would probably be most helpful to consult with a professional in your area--one you are most comfortable with whatever methods he or she uses---and go from there. 
 
It is a long road dealing with any sort of aggression and nobody here is going to be able to give a quick fix.  And, it would be best if someone could evaluate the dogs to decide the best way to start out. 
 
 

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Okey Dokey.  I just went back and did some tiptoeing through the tulips.

The first FEW posts were helpful....by post number 6 this thread became a war between +R and CM defenders.

This is NOT helpful, this is NOT the purpose or function of this forum and if Jaime were here, this would have been stopped PAGES ago.

The sex of CM's pack, the sex of Popeye, and all the other assorted crap for the last several pages is NOT helping the OP and is likely making her run for the hills.

I agree, everything was fine, everybody was trying to give advice untill somebody just decide to light up the match and start the fire (even knowing what would happen with the thread) with the comment of:

"Keep in mind CM really knows diddly squat about pack behavior and pay no attention to his TV show"

And guess what? everytime is the same, somebody comes up with an advice from CM and right after opinions like that one appear in the thread, then everybody picked a side, of course like i said before they come up with the "i'm just expressing my opinion of a trainer" card and try to avoid the original poster to even touch those techniques just because they dont like them either

If we respect other people opinions then the thread will sun smoothly, i'm not so much into +R but if somebody post an advice with those techinques then i will respect that and i will give my own, i wont be like "oh no that trainer does not know anything, she uses 'treat dispensers' techiques"; i bet a lot of people would not like that, i know it and thats why i dont say that

I agree, everything was fine, everybody was trying to give advice untill somebody just decide to light up the match and start the fire (even knowing what would happen with the thread) with the comment of:

"Keep in mind CM really knows diddly squat about pack behavior and pay no attention to his TV show"

The person who said this comment obviously feels that CM techniques may not be appropriate or constructive to the OP and her aggression situation. We can't expect to make statements and have no one disagree. If I came on here and posted "I think you should do an alpha roll and growl at your dog", I would fully expect some responsible members of the forum to step in and warn the OP that my advice should not be taken!

Same goes for +R - if someone recommends +R techniques, another poster might step in and say "no I don't think that will be effective".

The problem is how we choose to handle the criticism - we can have an intelligent debate on different approaches, or we can start name-calling, taking everything personally, and blowing things out of proportion. The bottom line is that the OP will hopefully do some research based on what people here have said, and make a decision from there. I just hope that the people posing the questions don't take CM approach as the only way or right way, just because it's televised! [&:]

Just my thoughts

[:'(]I'm done.  It doesn't matter who did what, why the thread went OT.....lets NOW put it back ON topic or leave it the heck alone.

It DOES matter who said what.  Apparently, my post about Popeye being adopted was "crap" to you.  Yet, the comment about CM "knowing diddly squat" about dogs was okay.  Not challenged.  I think I am allowed to post about a pitbull being adopted.  Sheesh.  If you don't like the way a thread is going, I'm not sure why you continue to read it and post about it.  Doesn't make sense to me.......

ORIGINAL: Scout in Canada

I agree, everything was fine, everybody was trying to give advice untill somebody just decide to light up the match and start the fire (even knowing what would happen with the thread) with the comment of:

"Keep in mind CM really knows diddly squat about pack behavior and pay no attention to his TV show"

The person who said this comment obviously feels that CM techniques may not be appropriate or constructive to the OP and her aggression situation. We can't expect to make statements and have no one disagree. If I came on here and posted "I think you should do an alpha roll and growl at your dog", I would fully expect some responsible members of the forum to step in and warn the OP that my advice should not be taken!

Same goes for +R - if someone recommends +R techniques, another poster might step in and say "no I don't think that will be effective".

The problem is how we choose to handle the criticism - we can have an intelligent debate on different approaches, or we can start name-calling, taking everything personally, and blowing things out of proportion. The bottom line is that the OP will hopefully do some research based on what people here have said, and make a decision from there. I just hope that the people posing the questions don't take CM approach as the only way or right way, just because it's televised! [&:]

Just my thoughts

 
I agree completly, people here have the right to disagree if the dont like CM but one thing is saying something like "ok IMO that CM techinque would not work because of this" and something different saying " oh he hangs dogs, he is a bully, he terrifies dogs" etc. one thing is give an opinion and another call names like that to his techniques, or like in this case even prevent the OP to study a technique by saying "and pay no attention to his TV show"--------that is not an opinion
 
 

Back on topic
 
I'm back and reading!!!

ORIGINAL: snownose

I wrote this before: The Dog Whisperer, Cesar Millan has a book out, he is also on tv. I own 4 male dogs, and I am in charge. Sounds like one of your dogs is trying to run the show and you need to take back control. I think at this point your dog does NOT accept you as the leader, and has taken on the pack leader position. Easy example would be in the wild with Wolves, the alpha male and female control a whole pack, they control when and who eats first, other pack members are not allowed to breed, the whole pack is under strict control. You must regain your leadership position or you might get bitten yourself.Hope this helps some.

 
And thats back to the topic to me []

Let's see what have we learned so far.....

You should start with a trip to the vet to rule out a medical condition as the cause of aggression.

Calm assertive leadership is paramount no matter what approach you decide to use.

You should consult a local trainer because proffesional help is most likely needed to deal with aggression.

A debate will always ensue when you mention CM and his techniques, if only +R is mentioned everyone is happy.

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OK she's back but posted while I was still typing.