Dog trainers or dog behavorists

Um, just an FYI, CM is a pretty hot topic here.  you might be best asking any CM questiton in the thread meant soley for him.  We have found that people either love him or hate him & it gets kinda heated in here.  He has his own thread here [linkhttp://forum.dog.com/asp/tt.asp?forumid=61]http://forum.dog.com/asp/tt.asp?forumid=61[/link]

My suggestion is for you to go to the "training section" there is a whole CM section on this forum. Also you can type the behaviorists names into the search function and all kinds of things will come up to give you a better understanding of the views of the forum members.
 
BTW- WELCOME to idog![]

Oh man, where's that popcorn-eating smiley when I need it?

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I have never heard of that Cesar dude.  What can you tell me about him?  []

Of the trainers mentioned by the OP the only one I think worth his salt is Ivan...but that's just my opinion.
 
I participate in SchH, PSA, some Ringsport...happy to chat about it with you.

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I have never heard of that Cesar dude.  What can you tell me about him?  []

Billy,Ceaser is the guy that Cartmans mom called in to help her problem child..Hope that helps..

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Oh man, where's that popcorn-eating smiley when I need it?

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Ditto! This oughta-b-good...

ORIGINAL: houndlove

Oh man, where's that popcorn-eating smiley when I need it?

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Cane corso: here is a link with the same question asked before, take a look (if it says content removed that is a bad sign []):

http://forum.dog.com/asp/tm.asp?m=242581

Oye.  If this is going to be a popcorn eating thread then somebody better pour ME a good stiff drink![]

ORIGINAL: Cane Corso

 I am wondering what is everyone's opinion on Cesar Millian? I am wondering if you guys are into schutzhund. Do you know who Ed Frawley and some other dog trainers? Im  wondering how many people know who is Ivan Balabanov or Michael Ellis?

Cesar was once a ruler of  Rome long long ago, but I don't think his last name was...Millian? Ed Frawley? wasn't he the really funny fat guy that OD'd. And I the Ivan was known to his wrestling fans as Ivan the terrible. I never heard of this Ellis person, does he do windows? []

Never heard of Ivan Balabanov. If you know of links to articles he wrote please post!

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Of the trainers mentioned by the OP the only one I think worth his salt is Ivan...but that's just my opinion.

I participate in SchH, PSA, some Ringsport...happy to chat about it with you.

 
  Awesome, I am not a member of SchH, but I went to two seminars for FR and SchH in Arizona. I met Michael Ellis. I know a decoy who went to Kenturkey to work with Ivan B.  I considered myself new to the SchH and FR.

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Never heard of Ivan Balabanov. If you know of links to articles he wrote please post!

 
  I can attached a link, but I don't know the rule whether if it is allowable or not.  You can just type in Ivan Balabanov in google. He wrote a book on advanced Schutzhund and he earned his place in the top competition many times for SchH, FR, mondio ring, etc. 
 
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Okay, I think I get where you're coming from.
 
In a nutshell, Cesar's approach is based more on the social dynamic and is not what I would call a "training" approach. We just discussed this a bit in this thread:
 
[linkhttp://forum.com/asp/tm.asp?m=308980]http://forum.com/asp/tm.asp?m=308980[/link]
 
You can get a better idea of where he's coming from by reading his book "Cesar's Way" or visiting his site:
 
[linkhttp://www.dogpsychologycenter.com]www.dogpsychologycenter.com[/link]
 
The world of dog training is a deeply divided profession. There are extremists on both ends, but many trainers do use a combination somewhere in the middle. A basic understanding of operant conditioning and general net searches of "dog training" will give you a lot of different perspectives.
 
Training and behavior studies and methods do overlap.
 
A certified behaviorist will often have an approach which contains more desensitization, behavior modification, operant and classical conditioning, and an understanding of dog behavior and psychology. 
 
Someone who is referred to as a behavior consultant or behavior expert (like Cesar) will often be using more of a social principle and work from the relationship (between dog and human) end of things while also including an understanding of dog behavior and dog psychology.
 
These are very gross generalizations I'm putting out there just based on what I've personally learned, so take it with a grain of salt. []
 
I can't even imagine how confusing this can be to someone (not meaning you) just starting out trying to understand all of this! [8D]