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Posted : 1/12/2007 11:36:37 AM

300 dollars for a GSD from the newspaper...hmmm, I am thinking backyard breeder.

I would rather have the background, health checks and so on.

spiritdogs

Posted : 1/12/2007 3:09:20 PM

ORIGINAL: Mastiff

He reminds me of a Koehler instuctor who has incorporated positive reinforcement into his methods. And his punishments for disobedience cross the line with me.

This is sort of what I got from him. He got me sucked in to an article by talking about his "old training methods" and how harsh they WERE. He regrets treating dogs like "that" and now employs +R with all training. So, I was thinking how bad can this guy be? He's repenting for crying out loud! There was much that I could make sense of, also realizing he's training GSDs for protection and expects even his pet dogs to live up to such high standards.

I think I fall in the middle. While I wouldn't want to have an out of control dog with no training in my house, I also wouldn't want one marching around like a soldier either.

Thanks for all the replies and other names for me to take a look at. I surely will as I love to read!

I know there's at least one site that has videos of a few of the different freestyle routines that Attila does. The Charlie Chaplin one is very cool. [8D] I like the Gladiator, too, but it didn't seem as "together" as Chaplin. I think you'll really enjoy those.

Deb

Posted : 1/12/2007 5:54:36 PM

I've been listening to Leerburg's podcasts, and like Mudpuppy, I also find him fascinating. He thinks a lot about dogs, knows a LOT more than CM, and is incredibly thoughtful about when and how he chooses to discipline his dogs.

The only kind of pet owner I can imagine finding Leerburg's appetite for harsh correction and level of rigor *useful* is someone with a very big dog and a very small penis. But I am interested in the way he thinks, and learn a lot from his articles and website.

snownose

Posted : 1/14/2007 10:51:51 AM

For an average pet owner with a 50 lb dog, well, his approach would be over the top.

spiritdogs

Posted : 1/14/2007 12:09:12 PM

ORIGINAL: fisher6000
The only kind of pet owner I can imagine finding Leerburg's appetite for harsh correction and level of rigor *useful* is someone with a very big dog and a very small penis.

Anyone care to raise their hands? [sm=rotfl.gif]

Personally, I find his methods over the top even if you own a 150 pound dog. Why would you want to try to manhandle something that big???? If you can train a whale with a clicker, and you can train a chicken with a clicker, why not a Rottweiler? [

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snownose

Posted : 1/14/2007 12:34:28 PM

Well, let's re-phrase this, perhaps if one were to train a protection dog, or had a very stubborn dog that did not respond to +R training.[

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mrv

Posted : 1/14/2007 1:29:45 PM

Positive reinforcement works with all species. If a dog is not responding to what the trainer believes is positive reinforcement, then it isnt positive reinforcement. Positive reinforcement by definition is determined by the impact on behavior. If the behavior is maintained at its present level OR increases in frequency, the behavior has been positively reinforced.

As to positive methodology, I would take Shelia Booths methods in a second. Before comments of a discounting of the approach, read her book Purely Positive.

hdkutz

Posted : 1/14/2007 1:59:18 PM

Leerburg uses a combination of positive reinforcement along with corrections. His methods have evolved over many years of training working dogs, NO method works with every dog of every breed. If some of his critics had 1% of his experience with working breeds their response would have some credibility.

"The only kind of pet owner I can imagine finding Leerburg's appetite for harsh correction and level of rigor *useful* is someone with a very big dog and a very small penis."

Please, have you ever owned a dog other than a pocket puppy? I`m surprised any moderator worth a darn would allow an ignorant post like that.

astaracheetah

Posted : 1/14/2007 3:39:47 PM

I dunno, I think that hanging a dog (regardless of size) from a tree until it passes out is a bit much... >O_o;<

hdkutz

Posted : 1/14/2007 3:45:13 PM

I dunno, I think that hanging a dog from a tree until it passes out is a bit much...

This is not for regular dog training. This is used as a last resort for dogs that are extremely handler aggressive from super hard lines used for patrol work and guard work. This is NOT his obedience training.
The training methods he advocates are adjusted to the goals and level of the dog.

astaracheetah

Posted : 1/14/2007 3:51:44 PM

Sure thing.

http://leerburg.com/746.htm <--- There ya go. Scroll down to where he tells you how to use the collar.

hdkutz

Posted : 1/14/2007 3:54:52 PM

Needs to be taken in the context it was written. I assumed we were talking regular obedience training. Not aggressive dominant dogs. We could also discuss table training but that`s not relevant to regular obedience training.

mrv

Posted : 1/14/2007 4:06:16 PM

During a discussion I had a training seminar for postive methods presented by Ted Turner, the whale guy (not the TV guy). He stated, "There is no baseball bat big enough to make a killer whale do something it does not want to do." Do I believe that a more physical involvement may be required to deal with some dogs? Certainly. However, I do not believe that it is necessary to hang a dog. If one is resorting to hanging a dog, it seriously makes me question their overall problem solving ability. The only reason punishment strategies have gained the acceptance in the training world is that some people can physicially man handle a dog. I much prefer someone who uses the power of their brain to deal with training issues.

astaracheetah

Posted : 1/14/2007 4:09:27 PM

ORIGINAL: hdkutz

This is not for regular dog training. This is used as a last resort for dogs that are extremely handler aggressive from super hard lines used for patrol work and guard work. This is NOT his obedience training.
The training methods he advocates are adjusted to the goals and level of the dog.

Thanks for editing your reply so that mine makes no sense. >9.9<

ORIGINAL: hdkutz

Needs to be taken in the context it was written. I assumed we were talking regular obedience training. Not aggressive dominant dogs. We could also discuss table training but that`s not relevant to regular obedience training.

I would not trust any trainer in obedience who uses such methods regardless of what kind of training it is. It seems unnecessary to me...

snownose

Posted : 1/14/2007 4:32:45 PM

I would not trust any trainer in obedience who uses such methods regardless of what kind of training it is. It seems unnecessary to me...

Then you have experience with aggressive dogs that have attacked ?

Or, is the alternative putting a dog to sleep?

Nowhere, on the website does it say to use that particular method with regular training and normal dogs, if it does, please, show me where......

Questions about Leerburg.....