Has anyone heard of Ian Dunbar?

ORIGINAL: espencer

What? what? did you start this thread without me? []

"Claudia Kawczynska, editor of Bark magazine, is one of Dunbar's many fans. "It's irritating to see Millan treated as the expert. Ian is an animal behaviorist with decades of experience," she says, "He should be where Millan is."

"Dr. Patricia McConnell, author of "For the Love of a Dog: Understanding Emotion in Your Best Friend" and the animal behaviorist on Animal Planet's "Petline," goes as far as to say that Millan has put dog training back 20 years. "Dunbar is a world authority," she says, "and he should be the one with the celebrity."

"Though he hosted five years of a TV training show in England, "Dogs With Dunbar," Hollywood never bit on it, or on his other ideas"
 
Do i need to say more? yeap i would be angry too if i had to spend thousand of dollars and years on my education and suddenly a dude with none of those has more fame and money than me

I smell jealousy after reading those sentences in bold BUT i could be wrong []

I could study basquetball history and techniques for years, knowing how to shoot the ball, which elevation the ball should have, the measurment of the ball, etc. but if suddendly someone like Michael Jordan comes out to the scene with just his "natural born" techiques and gets more famous than me then i would say the same

Oh well life is unfair sometimes []

I don't think you will hear Ian Dunbar bemoaning his own fate.  He is highly respected, a veterinarian, an author of books & tapes, and a highly sought after presenter.  Those statements to which you refer were said by others, largely in deference to his substantial contribution to the dog world, which is unmatched by many others.

Yeap i think Ian has nothing to ask from Cesar, but what about Ian's fans? those comments clearly state whats on their minds []

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

I started this thread to find out a little bit about Ian Dunbar, NOT to start a debate including the CM thing.  I am just starting to read more about different trainers and their philosophies.  I wanted some insight, not to start a debate. 

Apparently I have to PM everyone to get this.  Everyone here amazes me, and not in a good way.

To those of you that responded to the original post; thank you.  I will investigate Mr. Dunbar's body of work more thoroughly.

 
If it makes you feel any better Xerxes, you have made me, at least, more interested in Dunbar and his work.
 
Have you ever read "Harry Potter?"  Maybe we should start refering to CM as "He Who Shall Not Be Named."  Honestly, I used to go on political boards a lot, and the whole CM (oops, "he who shall not be named") thing stirs things up here as much as the topic of abortion did on those boards.  How sad is that?

Dunbar is an incredible man and it's a shame this thread went where it did.

ORIGINAL: glenmar

Dunbar is an incredible man and it's a shame this thread went where it did.

 
Aaaaaaannd that's where exactly?

I'll tell you where it went, right down the toilet...the pros and cons can't seem to get over the CM issue, not that it SHOULD be an issue..training dogs is training dogs, no method is completely RIGHT or WRONG, it all depends on the dog and what it's needs are.
 
Don't continue this as a CM debate, it was started as a reflection on Ian Dunbar, get back to that!
 
Ed,
Thanks for the post, it has brought forth some new reading materials to add to my library.

Ok that sounds fair, i said what i think about Mr Dunbar and his fans already and thats it, i'm out of this thread []

Actually, it's Dr. Dunbar (he's a veterinarian and has a Ph.D.), and his "fans" include some pretty notable trainers and behaviorists in their own right.  He once ran a clinic for biting and fighting dogs, and I believe you can still get the videos from that.  I have them, and they are quite interesting.
He was one of the first people to introduce puppy classes.  He also wrote a book on "Dog Training for Children", and has a video series on training the companion dog.  His website is at www.siriuspup.com if you want to check him out.  Maybe some of you even live close enough to take classes there....

I would love to discuss the philosophies, methods, and points of view of any canine expert. I'm interested in their background, personal experience, and area of expertise...whether it is vet experience, learning theory, or personal experience in the feild of social and behavioral perspectives.
 
However, this thread was not about Ian Dunbar. It was started as an anti-Cesar thread from the view of  Ian Dunbar and his supporters.
 
Take another tact and discuss some specific quotes from Ian, why his human psychology and "training" methods may be the only solutions needed to resolve social and behavioral problems...and you will have a different discussion.
 
The problem I see is that "training", "learning theory", and social and behavioral theories are seperate fields and all have their merit. Where you run into problems, is when learning theory is all that is being used when dealing with social and behavioral issues.
 
IMO, all three are needed when dogs live with humans as family members.

ORIGINAL: Angelique

I would love to discuss the philosophies, methods, and points of view of any canine expert. I'm interested in their background, personal experience, and area of expertise...whether it is vet experience, learning theory, or personal experience in the feild of social and behavioral perspectives.

However, this thread was not about Ian Dunbar. It was started as an anti-Cesar thread from the view of  Ian Dunbar and his supporters.

Take another tact and discuss some specific quotes from Ian, why his human psychology and "training" methods may be the only solutions needed to resolve social and behavioral problems...and you will have a different discussion.

The problem I see is that "training", "learning theory", and social and behavioral theories are seperate fields and all have their merit. Where you run into problems, is when learning theory is all that is being used when dealing with social and behavioral issues.

IMO, all three are needed when dogs live with humans as family members.

I actually do not think that's how the thread was started.  But, for those who are interested in learning from the man himself, go to Orlando in November if there's room at the seminar:
www.jamesandkenneth.com

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Actually, it's Dr. Dunbar (he's a veterinarian and has a Ph.D.), and his "fans" include some pretty notable trainers and behaviorists in their own right. 

Ups I am so sorry for not include that, i mean now that i said already what i think about **Content Removed**  already and thats it, i'm out of this thread

Have fun []

ORIGINAL: spiritdogs

Actually, it's Dr. Dunbar (he's a veterinarian and has a Ph.D.), and his "fans" include some pretty notable trainers and behaviorists in their own right. 

One of them being the Queen of England. I just realised that he was the one that Queen Elizabeth hired to help her sort out problems in her corgi pack. It all ended very well.

MMmm i had my content removed for trying to be funny hehe [] sorry about that []

It wasn't funny, in fact it was rude....
 
FYI, I work on a three strike rule continued editing of your posts will see you on a time out from the forum

Well i think i needed to have more smiley faces in my post, is hard to show the real intentions by just writing and it can be misunderstand as rude instead of funny so more smiley faces from now on [][][][]