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"4. BREED IS NOT DESTINY"
 
I know a lot of people in this forum that blame their breed from thier dog's problems []

"4. BREED IS NOT DESTINY"

I know a lot of people in this forum that blame their breed from thier dog's problems

I think it also depends on how we define a "problem" or "bad" behaviors.  For example, in the 'aggression in agility' thread we're reading about two herding dogs that get all hyper and charge at other dogs.  Is that really a problem for a breed that is supposed to be high energy and reactive to movement?  And the 'aggression' thread about the German Shepherd sometimes growling at strangers.  Like spiritdogs just posted, this breed isn't supposed to happy and inviting of strangers.  I think Cesar's right that in order to get to the root of the "problem" you have to look deeper than the breed of the dog, because most problems we see on his show are problems than can affect every breed (because the handler is at fault), but at the same time you can't automatically discount breed traits as far as how they might react to certain situations or methods of training.

the comments are always erm...interesting to look thru too.

What's up with the guy freaking out about him using the "Latinos are lazy" example as a generalization?  Did he not look at the photo of Cesar? []

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I think it also depends on how we define a "problem" or "bad" behaviors.  For example, in the 'aggression in agility' thread we're reading about two herding dogs that get all hyper and charge at other dogs.  Is that really a problem for a breed that is supposed to be high energy and reactive to movement?  And the 'aggression' thread about the German Shepherd sometimes growling at strangers.  Like spiritdogs just posted, this breed isn't supposed to happy and inviting of strangers.  I think Cesar's right that in order to get to the root of the "problem" you have to look deeper than the breed of the dog, because most problems we see on his show are problems than can affect every breed (because the handler is at fault), but at the same time you can't automatically discount breed traits as far as how they might react to certain situations or methods of training.

 
I will have read that thread about the GS, they actually can be friendly to strangers, just like any other dog, but if their needs are not fufill thats how the will be in a continue state of frustration, depending on the breed is how the dog will show its frustration, beagels will bark or sniff, pit bulls or GS will become aggressive, BUT if a dog is balanced and all their needs are fufill then the breed is not the cause of the problems, the cause of the problems is the owner, the breed triggers the way the dog will react because of frustration, so you are right about that part
 
Breed is not destiny, breed shows consequences, which is different []
 
 

ORIGINAL: Liesje
I think Cesar's right that in order to get to the root of the "problem" you have to look deeper than the breed of the dog, ...

Yes I like his thinking in terms for assessment and fullfillment: species > breed > individual

ORIGINAL: Liesje

the comments are always erm...interesting to look thru too.

What's up with the guy freaking out about him using the "Latinos are lazy" example as a generalization? Did he not look at the photo of Cesar? []

I guess he didn't mind the italian mobsters bit, [&:] ... Oh I like the one who sings for everything PINK! [8D]

they actually can be friendly to strangers, just like any other dog

I'm not talking about friendliness as much as how inherently outgoing they are and trusting of complete strangers.  Sure they CAN be, but...

"The [German Shepherd] has a distinct personality marked by direct and fearless, but not hostile, expression, self-confidence and a certain aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships."

The standard calls for a certain level of aloofness and disregard for strangers.  A lot of fanciers like myself value this trait.  I want a velcro dog that is alert, but remains focused on me and will size up a stranger and ignore rather than approach it in a friendly manner without any hesitation.  If that's what I wanted, I'd get a labrador. []

Fanciers like you and I understand and appreciate these subtle differences and the purposes they serve.  But someone like JQP thinks that's bad thinks all "good" dogs are over friendly.  For example, my mother in law, who does love dogs but doesn't really care to know or understand as much about them, now dislikes German Shepherds because she went to someone's house and their two sat across the room and "looked at her" (this is exactly what she told me).  She would label that bad behavior, because she's used to a dog that barks excitable when the doorbell rings, jumps up on the company, and licks them to death, or approaches all strangers on a walk with his tail wagging and tongue lolling.

What is a GS?  German Shorthair?  Or are you referring to GSD?

I think he means GSD since that's the breed being discussed in the other thread we mentioned.  If he means something else, then my previous response is pretty much worthless!

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

What is a GS?  German Shorthair?  Or are you referring to GSD?

Ed, glad to see you around here, even if is only to critizice instead of having an input [], by the way you never answered my question in the clicker thread (i'll keep waiting)

My dog is considered pretty friendly for his breed.  Which means he'll walk up and sniff you and then  ignore you.
 
If I wanted a super happy outgoing dog I, too, would have gotten either a lab or a golden.  I prefer a dog that looks upon strangers with a bit of disdain. 
 
As for the GSD, I love the breed because they aren't as outgoing as some of the other breeds.  They can remain focused on one "job" for a greater length of time than alot of other dogs can or will.

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ORIGINAL: Xerxes

What is a GS?  German Shorthair?  Or are you referring to GSD?

Ed, glad to see you around here, even if is only to critizice instead of having an input [], by the way you never answered my question in the clicker thread (keep waiting)

 
How is that critisizing?  It's asking for clarification...
 
And as far as your question, post a linky thing for me, b/c I never saw it.

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How is that critisizing?  It's asking for clarification...

I'm sorry, my fault for thinking that since we never mentioned german shorthair dogs then it was obvious that i was talking about a german shepard, that teaches me that i have to write in a way that people (besides the smart ones) could understand [] (not talking about somebody in specific)

ORIGINAL: espencer

ORIGINAL: Xerxes


How is that critisizing?  It's asking for clarification...

I'm sorry, my fault for thinking that since we never mentioned german shorthair dogs then it was obvious that i was talking about a german shepard, that teaches me that i have to write in a way that people (besides the smart ones) could understand [] (not talking about somebody in specific)

 
Sorry, I must have missed the memo with the list of new abbreviations for breeds.  []

Gentleman, please. It is most unbecoming, and you are both far more gallant then you're letting on here.

PM is a great place to haggle out difficulties.

Thanks for your consideration []