Cesar, black GSD and E-Collar

Another case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". The editors of the show messed up on this one. IMO
 
Due to all of the controversy, they cut out the explaination of the e-collar. I'd say they did it so that it would not give the anti-Cesar folks the excuse to complain that he is promoting e-collars. We've all seen the outrage over the other training tools he's used. [8|]
 
Bad call by the editors, but I can understand why they chose to do it.
 
I'm glad that Cesar is explaining what's going on now when he uses one of these collars, including his preference for the "tap" level. He gave a good close-up description of the collar he used on the tire chasing dog. The dog had already been injured a few times by the tires.

He gave a good close-up description of the collar he used on the tire chasing dog. The dog had already been injured a few times by the tires.

 
Yeah I saw that episode and I thought the e-collar was well used in that scenario. I hate when people use them in totally unnecessary circumstances. But in the case of a dog that may anyday get killed by chasing tires, the e-collar is a tool that could save its life.

Sometimes some owners have a no-barking collar on the dog that looks similar to a e-collar, i dont know if Cesar would need one if he has a dog on a leash, if he was using one then you could tell if the dog was being affected by it, i will have to see that episode again to watch closely

Due to all of the controversy, they cut out the explaination of the e-collar. I'd say they did it so that it would not give the anti-Cesar folks the excuse to complain that he is promoting e-collars. We've all seen the outrage over the other training tools he's used.

Yeah, that's basically what I thought. Gotta love working with producers and lawyers telling you how to do your job. I would've thought that if they weren't going to "disclose" that they were using the e-collar they shouldn't use it at all, I mean, someone WILL and DID notice, but oh well.

ORIGINAL: eley

I was reading in another forum and someone pointed out that in one of the old episodes, where CM is dealing with a black GSD that was aggressive, CM used and E-collar, but in a sort of stealthy way.

Well, lets clear up one thing here. There are several ways to use a E-collar. Hunting dogs that wear them are called *collar wise*. Meaning they know it's the collar that is correcting them. Then there is the method of the dog being corrected by one, but believes your the one that corrected them. Part of that process is the dog (not people watching) not seeing the remote in your hand. this the case of the GSD I believe the collar was used incorrectly.

Cesar did explain on a radio show why he used it. And he's trying to hide nothing from the plublic about what he does.

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Well, lets clear up one thing here. There are several ways to use a E-collar. Hunting dogs that wear them are called *collar wise*. Meaning they know it's the collar that is correcting them. Then there is the method of the dog being corrected by one, but believes your the one that corrected them. Part of that process is the dog (not people watching) not seeing the remote in your hand. this the case of the GSD I believe the collar was used incorrectly.

I am not experienced in Ecollar use. But, I have heard of what he did by a trainer as "crittering". It's used to keep a dog from attacking or killing other animals. Am I misunderstanding what was explained to me?

I've also heard of using them to poison-proof dogs with snakes.

ORIGINAL: Angelique

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Well, lets clear up one thing here. There are several ways to use a E-collar. Hunting dogs that wear them are called *collar wise*. Meaning they know it's the collar that is correcting them. Then there is the method of the dog being corrected by one, but believes your the one that corrected them. Part of that process is the dog (not people watching) not seeing the remote in your hand. this the case of the GSD I believe the collar was used incorrectly.

I am not experienced in Ecollar use. But, I have heard of what he did by a trainer as "crittering". It's used to keep a dog from attacking or killing other animals. Am I misunderstanding what was explained to me?

I've also heard of using them to poison-proof dogs with snakes.

There's a certain way of using the collar to do that and not allow the dog to know it's the collar. When snake proofing, you want the dog to think the snake is bad, not the collar.

Awsomedog,

I'm a little corn-fused, but I think I get what you're saying. [8D]

Does your comment about him using the collar incorrectly have to do with you seeing him using the collar as a correction or cue associated with him (Cesar) and/or the collar, rather than Spike associating the "tap" with the cat itself?

Ooops. Meant to edit my previous post and quoted myself instead...

I highly doubt that Cesar would air a show, showing a technique, that indeed was not the technique.  He would be misrepresenting himself and I don't believe he would allow that.

If he was using an e-collar on his show in part with another technique and not disclosing it (or hiding it) to viewers who are trying to learn something, that would be bad!!  BECAUSE he is misrepresenting the technique by not showing the public it was indeed used in "conjunction" with the use of an e-collar to get the result you saw on the show. 

That would be wrong and I would TSST Cesar for allowing that to happen.  I am sure he has some rights to the viewing content.

Disclaimer: I am not saying this is true actual fact. It could just as easily be a half-truth, untruth or hoax as anything else on the internet. But, it is something that is out there, I've seen it more than once, and it is germane to this thread.

On dogster (and this person has a dogster account, was not a guest and is not as far as I can tell a "sock puppet" account) and also on comments regarding a newspaper article online (that was linked to dogster so I can see how this same person came to comment on both) I read an account of a person who did have Cesar come to train their dog, a couple years ago. And this person says that there was quite a bit that he did off-camera or when not filming that is never mentioned on the show and would definately be considered even more controversial than what makes it on air. She suggested that he seriously physically harmed her dog (while she watched, but not on camera) in order to make it seem like he'd performed a miraculous cure.

Anyway, take that as you will. I definatley suspect that Cesar has some kind of non-disclosure agreement with the people who are on his show. He'd be an idiot not to and most reality shows do have something like this. It kind of comes with the reality-show territory.

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy

I highly doubt that Cesar would air a show, showing a technique, that indeed was not the technique.  He would be misrepresenting himself and I don't believe he would allow that.

If he was using an e-collar on his show in part with another technique and not disclosing it (or hiding it) to viewers who are trying to learn something, that would be bad!!  BECAUSE he is misrepresenting the technique by not showing the public it was indeed used in "conjunction" with the use of an e-collar to get the result you saw on the show. 

That would be wrong and I would TSST Cesar for allowing that to happen.  I am sure he has some rights to the viewing content.

 
I agree, like i said, if he already has a leash on i dont think he needs an e-collar anymore, on the episode when he used one he explained that the correction was intended to be from a long distance because you cant correct the dog while you are driving a tractor

Yes he may very well be a little more ruff off camera than on camera (although I don#%92t believe that to be the case) but the technique is the same and that#%92s not misrepresentation.  He is just choosing to show the gentler side because of controversy. 
 
But… demonstrating a technique and leaving out an important item like it was coupled with another technique to achieve success - is misrepresentation and that has to be a legal item, not a disclaimer item.  Unless his disclaimer is, what you are watching is a lie.
 
That would be like him showing leash corrections on TV but he was secretly adding Click and Treat behind the scenes to get the results and not disclosing that to the viewers.

ORIGINAL: luvmyswissy


That would be wrong and I would TSST Cesar for allowing that to happen.  I am sure he has some rights to the viewing content.

Yep your a real CM lover. and know all the facts as to how the TV show works. Instead of the assuming your doing there might be a better way to go. Don't you think?[]