What can you contribute?

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Xerxes

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Please stop banging your head against the wall, it's not going to help your spelling and it's not going to answer any questions.

Besides, i don't see why you're indicating frustration.  I'm asking the same type of questions that I asked to espencer. Espencer had some very good answers and he and I rarely ever see eye to eye.  Even the title of the thread "what can you contribute?" asks the question.  Now if the thread was about "what's the training moment you're the most proud of?" then I think your responses are more than adequate.

It seems that this is an accomplishment you're very proud of, so did you use aversives to temper the DA?  Did you put your dog in harm's way?  Which approach did you take with this dog?  Those are very simple questions. 

Nobody is picking on anyone.  There's no bad blood on this thread.  Just simple to the point questions.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes



Please stop banging your head against the wall, it's not going to help your spelling and it's not going to answer any questions.

LOL See, that's who you really are, to think you can take a shot at me and I'm not suposed to know your being the rude person you *claim* I'm being is foolish on your part. And now that I know who you are you'll be treated according. TsssT. Thank god my life isn't so sad that someones spelling causes me distress. I have to admit, I get a good laugh here.

Hey, lol I went back and corrected some errors for you, feel free to tell me what i missed. Bhahahahaha

I offer suggestions on how to break behaviors down into smaller components that can be strung together to develop a chain of behaviors.  I tend to focus on management rather than training ideas when discussing potentially damaging behaviors. 
 
I have transitions from one style of training to another.  I have worked in group public classes so I have strategies that have been used effectively to change behavior (homework activities).
 
I usually manage to be polite and respectful in my mind while typing and even try to include a lead in (such as "respectfully") when I disagree with a post. 

ORIGINAL Awsomedog
have to admit, I get a good laugh here.

Glad SOMEONE DOES... some of us would like to actually learn something instead of every single post by certain forum members being rude and obstructing any learning. The constant “hehehe HEHEHE hahaha HAHAHA BAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHA wait for it, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.” Comments are getting awfully tiresome as well .. I am done with it... where the hell is that block button?
 
edited to clear up any misunderstandings

 Xerxes

You sit in judgement of people, people you know nothing about. You know nothing about me or why my spelling is what it is, (which in the scheme of life, or at least those that have one, isn't on their list of concerns) yet you sit in judgement of me and point it out. Which actually just makes you rude, and shows you have *nothing*  more  intelligent to say at the moment that has anything to do with the subject at hand. But you go right ahead and carry on, if it makes you feel better. And i'll just laugh and laugh and laugh.  So, would you like to talk about the subject or shall we take the other road?

ORIGINAL: Awsomedog

Xerxes

You sit in judgement of people, people you know nothing about. You know nothing about me or why my spelling is what it is, (which in the scheme of life, or at least those that have one, isn't on their list of concerns) yet you sit in judgement of me and point it out. Which actually just makes you rude, and shows you have *nothing*  more  intelligent to say at the moment that has anything to do with the subject at hand. But you go right ahead and carry on, if it makes you feel better. And i'll just laugh and laugh and laugh.  So, would you like to talk about the subject or shall we take the other road?

Holy cow you really think this is all about you.  It's not.  You respond to ANY question with defensive tactics.  Point out where I'm actually attacking you?  Remember it was you who even joked about your spelling on another thread. 

But since you want this to be the "awsomecan'tevenspellmyownnamedog" board, I think I'll join the dozens that have already blocked you.  You offer nothing positive to this forum.  Ask anyone that knows me, I'm nothing if not patient and understanding with people.

I began this thread with one main intention.  Thankfully espencer and a few others shared that intention and we actually learned something.  You and your backslapping cronies add absolutely NO VALUE to any discussion you have participated in. 

You posted your experience with a dog.  I asked questions to get a better idea of how you dealt with the problem, you responded that you can't respond, the techniques are too controversial.  So I ask why then are you sharing such...and then you decide to show that you CANNOT answer the questions.  Not that you will not.  But that you CANNOT. 

Oh if you think you know who I am, think again.  You haven't a clue.  But alot of us on the board see you for what you really are.

Since YOU cannot self moderate, so many of US have elected to block your vitriolic responses (vit-ree-all-ick) not sure if you can pronounce that, I know you can't spell it, but we'll let you spew your useless indictments to no one at all.

ETA: You call me rude??  This post is the first one where I've actually said something rude to you, not that you haven't asked for it before. 

ORIGINAL: mrv

I offer suggestions on how to break behaviors down into smaller components that can be strung together to develop a chain of behaviors.  I tend to focus on management rather than training ideas when discussing potentially damaging behaviors. 

I have transitions from one style of training to another.  I have worked in group public classes so I have strategies that have been used effectively to change behavior (homework activities).

I usually manage to be polite and respectful in my mind while typing and even try to include a lead in (such as "respectfully") when I disagree with a post. 

mrv, you mention breaking behaviors down into smaller components.  Could you give an example?  I think sometimes baby steps are better than trying to make a giant leap when it comes to behavior.

I typically use a strategy called task analysis.  Lets say, we decide we want a dog to be able to "drop dead" on the floor as a trick.
 
I would consider the end behavior and what it would look like.  I will then randomly list all the possible behaviors that need to occur to get to the end result.  Then, I will order them to best reach the final trick.
 
So, it might look something like this:  eye contact/attention;  a down command (spinx style) ,  a down command from a distance: a down command that shifted the dog to full extention on their side.  These behaviors could initially be taught seperately.
 
Once the behaviors are reliably occurring in at least three other environments with distractions, it would be time to start adding the second cue "bang".    Using the "bang" and what ever additional cue (pointing finger etc) followed by the command for the full extension side down.  Initially the commands/signals occur at the same volume,  as anticipation behaviors are noted, slowly lower the volume for "extention down" until you no longer say it.
 
Quick example with likely a hole or two in the list, but that would give you one example. 

ORIGINAL: Xerxes 

But since you want this to be the "awsomecan'tevenspellmyownnamedog" board...

Oh my! I guess this was just another baiting thread.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

...I began this thread with one main intention.

Yes, *sigh* I finally see that now. The leopard still has all of his spots.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Thankfully espencer and a few others shared that intention and we actually learned something.  You and your backslapping cronies add absolutely NO VALUE to any discussion you have participated in.

Are you talkin' to me? (now, where's that Robert Deniro smiley when I need it...)   

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Oh if you think you know who I am, think again.  You haven't a clue.  But alot of us on the board see you for what you really are. 

Yes, he appears to be a master canine professional, as opposed to a master baiter. [8D]

Have fun at the meeting tonight...

deleted, its not worth it.

That makes alot of sense.  Do you follow this same approach when redirecting inappropriate behaviors as well...maybe break it down so that the dog's default behavior is  to look at you, or the handler?  Or does that even make sense at all?

No  not for misbehavior...In that instance I focus more on manipulation of the environment so the dog will not be wrong. 
 
I would systematically and heavily reinforce behavior that is incompatible with whatever is making me nuts at the moment.  I typically used learned commands for those situations.
 
Task analysis is more for the teaching of new behavior especially when prerequistite skills are not in place.  Misbehavior really doesnt fit in that definition.

Thanks again, you just gave me a new perspective.  I think I may have done that before, but never really considered it as an actual process.

ORIGINAL: Angelique

ORIGINAL: Xerxes 

But since you want this to be the "awsomecan'tevenspellmyownnamedog" board...

Oh my! I guess this was just another baiting thread.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

...I began this thread with one main intention.

Yes, *sigh* I finally see that now. The leopard still has all of his spots.

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Thankfully espencer and a few others shared that intention and we actually learned something.  You and your backslapping cronies add absolutely NO VALUE to any discussion you have participated in.

Are you talkin' to me? (now, where's that Robert Deniro smiley when I need it...)   

ORIGINAL: Xerxes

Oh if you think you know who I am, think again.  You haven't a clue.  But alot of us on the board see you for what you really are. 

Yes, he appears to be a master canine professional, as opposed to a master baiter. [8D]

Have fun at the meeting tonight...

Gee how quickly you, the original leopard, change your spots.  And deliver back pats to a poster that cannot answer questions intelligently.  The thread started out on a great note.  You yourself tried to bait me with your first post.  I've not baited anyone.  I ask legitimate questions and got, for the most part, legitimate answers.  That is until your fellow "luv-myself" I'm in love with myself-fest member came here. 

I said in the beginning I'm not a professional trainer.  I don't ever intend to be.  I have two Pharaoh Hounds, I doubt you know anyone else that could tolerate day in and day out the challenges that having a Pharaoh Hound brings to one's life.  You couldn't.  Your non-spelling friend couldn't.  So already I know I'm better than both of you and I don't have to use passive aggressive techniques to prove it. 

Nope, I won't rely on passive aggressiveness.  I'll use the truth.  I already did but I'll cut and paste it just in case you didn't read it.

You offer nothing positive to this forum.

Thank you and make that 2 blocked.

Okay...
 
No sneaking back and peeking though. []